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To JBF... no he wouldn't stand by them, or defend their beliefs... but he would defend their RIGHT to believe it.

To Rob; My main issue here is: Why do we get all bent out of shape ONLY when its a hindu who offers the prayer? why not when EVIL gives the prayer? The right to worship how you choose is not a HUMAN right, but a GOD GIVEN RIGHT, the battle for freedom has been going on since before time, someone who is buddhist has JUST as many rights as a Christian, no more, no less. Hopefully you know I'm nothing near PC... ummmm I'm tired, maybe I'll add more comments later.

Well I do get upset at evil doing it in general, but hindu is a very special forum of this evil akin to the mystery schools...its much deeper into the occult then most...and closer to the ideas of the fallen in general.

People have the right to practice there faith here, but I don't believe they have the right to changer our foundations which offered them a right to practice their faith here to begin with. Also its not hinduism that is under attack by the elites, its Christianity and monotheism in general even though all mono theists (like the muslims, who are really closter to polytheists in some ways)

I know you don't like PC, its just that I'm not talking about removing peoples beliefs, I'm just talking about attempts to change foundational structures that gave them the right to practice their beliefs here to begin with, and basically insulting the Creator of our Liberty by offering up prayers to "other gods" is really the wrong direction for a nation that says God bless America. ;)

So what would you say if "Satanists" were allowed to pray in the Senate....I would be very upset with that to, and really hinduism and satanism are very close in many ways.

 

 

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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
I am happy to see Jesus quoted by you and used here Amy and I don't think we will have a interpretation difference on this one... :) but there is a difference between loving others and then defending thier belief systems. Jesus would not stand behind a belief system contrary to His biblical truths. Defending someone who's belief system results in a soul that is lost according to Jesus would not be showing them love would it?


True...but Jesus was speaking for God, on His behalf. 

He taught us how to behave...

"5:44 Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you..."(King James Bible, Matthew)

"5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (King James Bible, Matthew)

&

"8:7 He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..." (King James Bible, John)

"6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again." (King James Bible, Luke)

 

condemning someone for worshipping God in their own way is definitely not in line with what Jesus asked of us.

 

"7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that." (King James Bible, 1 Corinthians)

 
Zed, the first Hindu to offer the Senate prayer, began: "We meditate on the transcendental glory of the Deity Supreme, who is inside the heart of the Earth, inside the life of the sky and inside the soul of the heaven. May He stimulate and illuminate our minds."

As the Senate prepared for another day of debate over the Iraq war, Zed closed with, "Peace, peace, peace be unto all."

So, in the opinion of many here.... it's heresy to offer a prayer to the Deity Supreme...i.e. God, who exists in all the earth and the heavens, and to ask for Him to help illuminate our minds?  and Peace on Earth is a bad thing?  ::scratch::

 

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Amy wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:
I am happy to see Jesus quoted by you and used here Amy and I don't think we will have a interpretation difference on this one... :) but there is a difference between loving others and then defending thier belief systems. Jesus would not stand behind a belief system contrary to His biblical truths. Defending someone who's belief system results in a soul that is lost according to Jesus would not be showing them love would it?


True...but Jesus was speaking for God, on His behalf. 

He taught us how to behave...

"5:44 Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you..."(King James Bible, Matthew)

"5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (King James Bible, Matthew)

&

"8:7 He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..." (King James Bible, John)

"6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again." (King James Bible, Luke)

 

condemning someone for worshipping God in their own way is definitely not in line with what Jesus asked of us.

 

"7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that." (King James Bible, 1 Corinthians)

 
Zed, the first Hindu to offer the Senate prayer, began: "We meditate on the transcendental glory of the Deity Supreme, who is inside the heart of the Earth, inside the life of the sky and inside the soul of the heaven. May He stimulate and illuminate our minds."

As the Senate prepared for another day of debate over the Iraq war, Zed closed with, "Peace, peace, peace be unto all."

So, in the opinion of many here.... it's heresy to offer a prayer to the Deity Supreme...i.e. God, who exists in all the earth and the heavens, and to ask for Him to help illuminate our minds?  and Peace on Earth is a bad thing?  ::scratch::

 

I see your point Amy, but the "all inclusive" belief of the Baha'is that all the major faiths are inspired by and pointing too the same God I think creates a deceptive understanding of God by the Baha'is.

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Amy wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:
I am happy to see Jesus quoted by you and used here Amy and I don't think we will have a interpretation difference on this one... :) but there is a difference between loving others and then defending thier belief systems. Jesus would not stand behind a belief system contrary to His biblical truths. Defending someone who's belief system results in a soul that is lost according to Jesus would not be showing them love would it?


True...but Jesus was speaking for God, on His behalf. 

He taught us how to behave...

"5:44 Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you..."(King James Bible, Matthew)

"5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (King James Bible, Matthew)

&

"8:7 He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..." (King James Bible, John)

"6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again." (King James Bible, Luke)

 

condemning someone for worshipping God in their own way is definitely not in line with what Jesus asked of us.

 

"7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that." (King James Bible, 1 Corinthians)

 
Zed, the first Hindu to offer the Senate prayer, began: "We meditate on the transcendental glory of the Deity Supreme, who is inside the heart of the Earth, inside the life of the sky and inside the soul of the heaven. May He stimulate and illuminate our minds."

As the Senate prepared for another day of debate over the Iraq war, Zed closed with, "Peace, peace, peace be unto all."

So, in the opinion of many here.... it's heresy to offer a prayer to the Deity Supreme...i.e. God, who exists in all the earth and the heavens, and to ask for Him to help illuminate our minds?  and Peace on Earth is a bad thing?  ::scratch::

 

I see your point Amy, but the "all inclusive" belief of the Baha'is that all the major faiths are inspired by and pointing too the same God I think creates a deceptive understanding of God by the Baha'is.


for the moment let's forget the Baha'i pov...let's focus on Christ's teachings in this discussion...

in addition to the the teachings I posted above, Jesus also taught...

25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

(King James Bible, Matthew)

 

no where in this discourse does Jesus specify..."only if they believe the same as you"... Jesus is being all-inclusive in how we should treat others.  And again...

7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

(King James Bible, Matthew)

 

 

all-inclusive...treat all men as you wish to be treated...

nothing about treating those who believe differently, differently.

so....do you really believe that Jesus would approve of condemning this man who really believed he was offering a prayer to our Creator?

Is that how you would wish to be treated if the tables were turned?

 

 

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Amy, you mention some great scriptures, and I agree with how you have used them... but lets not forget there are others...

Ps. 97: 10 Ye that love the Lord, hate evil.

Amos 5: 15 Hate the evil, and love the good.

Psalms 140:11 Let not an evil speaker be established in the earth

Rom. 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.


I could go on, and you could go on... I don't disagree with you, but would just like to ADD some different insight; Certainly we shouldn't revile and abuse those who work evil in the land, but should we stand by and watch it happen? Of COURSE not! Just like the last scripture says, we should fight evil with GOOD! We will be condemned ourselves if we allow this evil to get control, and gain power, if we allow it to persist, now that doesn't mean we should mock the muslims, and throw things at them til they change their ways... many would rather just kill them! not even give them a CHANCE... there are much better, more effective ways to make change happen, than by force... Those are the ways we should be seeking. But something MUST be done!

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JasonAMrtn wrote: Amy, you mention some great scriptures, and I agree with how you have used them... but lets not forget there are others...

Ps. 97: 10 Ye that love the Lord, hate evil.

Amos 5: 15 Hate the evil, and love the good.

Psalms 140:11 Let not an evil speaker be established in the earth

Rom. 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.


I could go on, and you could go on... I don't disagree with you, but would just like to ADD some different insight; Certainly we shouldn't revile and abuse those who work evil in the land, but should we stand by and watch it happen? Of COURSE not! Just like the last scripture says, we should fight evil with GOOD! We will be condemned ourselves if we allow this evil to get control, and gain power, if we allow it to persist, now that doesn't mean we should mock the muslims, and throw things at them til they change their ways... many would rather just kill them! not even give them a CHANCE... there are much better, more effective ways to make change happen, than by force... Those are the ways we should be seeking. But something MUST be done!

and that something is......

"5:44 Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you..."(King James Bible, Matthew)

"5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (King James Bible, Matthew)

&

"8:7 He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..." (King James Bible, John)

"6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again." (King James Bible, Luke)

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seekeroftruth wrote: A little bird was flying south for the winter. It got so cold it froze up and fell to the ground in a large field.

While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some manure on it. As it lay there in the pile of manure, it began to realize how warm it was. The manure was actually thawing him out!

As he lay there all warm and happy, he soon began to sing for joy and a passing cat heard the little bird singing, and came to investigate.

Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of manure, and promptly dug him out—and then ate him!

The morals of this story are:
Not everyone who drops manure on you is your enemy.
Not everyone who digs you out of a pile of manure is your friend.
When you're in the manure, keep your mouth shut!


You truly are a enlightened and original poster !

I made mine up, on the spur of the moment ! 

You copy and pasted that "original anecdote" from here.

  submitted by [url=mailto:DMCCLAIN@daniel.maf.org]Missionary J Daniels[/url]



A little bird was flying south for the winter. It got so cold it froze up and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some manure on it. As it lay there in the pile of manure, it began to realize how warm it was. The manure was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the little bird singing, and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of manure, and promptly dug him out--and then ate him.
The morals of the story are:
1. Not everyone who drops manure on you is your enemy.
2. Not everyone who digs you out of a pile of manure is your friend.
3. When you're in the manure, keep your mouth shut!


From Sermons.com

I made my little anecdote up off the top of my head.

You didn't.

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I stand on the shoulders of great men. You should read some of the sermons on sermons.com I have and have learned a lot. How I know that Hinduism is luciferic is by watching the documentary "God of the new age" You should watch it. It sure opened up my eyes!!!! Check it out.

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I've been wating 49 years for this to happen.....along with those "Illunined ones". Please do not allow yourself to become desensitized into thinking that there is no harm in this. This Is NOT harmless. This is spiritual. This has nothing to do with fairness, righteousness and most of all....becoming more enlightened.

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seekeroftruth wrote: I stand on the shoulders of great men. Yeah nice excuse for posting other peoples creative writings as your own, I would have had the respect to post that in quotation marks seeing as I didn't actually write itYou should read some of the sermons on sermons.com I have and have learned a lot. How I know that Hinduism is luciferic is by watching the documentary "God of the new age" You should watch it. It sure opened up my eyes!!!! Check it out.

I have seen "god of the new age" the...........ahem !......."documentary"

The fact it was made by Christians from a biased standpoint makes its value as an "investigative documentative tool" highly questionable to the point of being completely disregarded as a neutral investigative piece of work with no bias.

 

 

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I like sitars, and kind of thought Hindus were cool back in my youth influenced by psychedelia(and the Beatles going there to India). I don't believe in lucifer(but do believe and witness evil), so I think they are just plain stupid for being sinfully over-compassionate toward animals to eat, and sinfully overpopulating and ruining their country. Peace and love are for wimps who don't want to stand for any morals of human advancement and true living in harmony with the biosphere.
I think seeker of truth found a good one. Congratulations. Many of us seek the truth.

Cynicism: >contemptuously< distrustful of human nature and motives. Also claims sarcasm: sharp satire>to cause pain. (Webster's)
Now we know what lucifer is like.

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moguitar wrote: I like sitars, and kind of thought Hindus were cool back in my youth influenced by psychedelia(and the Beatles going there to India). I don't believe in lucifer(but do believe and witness evil), so I think they are just plain stupid for being sinfully over-compassionate toward animals to eat, and sinfully overpopulating and ruining their country. Peace and love are for wimps who don't want to stand for any morals of human advancement and true living in harmony with the biosphere.
I think seeker of truth found a good one. Congratulations. Many of us seek the truth.

Cynicism: >contemptuously< distrustful of human nature and motives. Also claims sarcasm: sharp satire>to cause pain. (Webster's)
Now we know what lucifer is like.


Alternatively..........

Cynicism :-

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." ~ George Bernard Shaw


  • "Cyn-ic: An idealist whose rose-colored glasses have been removed, snapped in two, and stomped into the ground, immediately improving his vision." ~ Rick Bayan, The Cynic's Sanctuary

  • "Cynical is a word used by the frightened to describe the realistic."

    and Sarcasm:-

  • Sarcasm is my mind's immune response to stupidity.
  • Sarcasm and compassion are two of the qualities that make life on earth tolerable.
  • I myself have never found much actual insight in a dictionary Mo.

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    I'll go with Webster's--it's more "official". You are Lucifer, Lucifer, Lucifer, Luci........Lucille!

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    A Little early in the day to be sipping samples from your moonshine still ain't it Mo ?

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    All hail the rot gut !

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