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I need your help, go to this fourm and help them understand that Bush is not who/what they think he is. You can read my two cents (Renee) my comment is awaiting moderation. Are You Pro-Israel? Posted on May 14, 2008 Filed Under Life, Spiritual Life, Dr. Dobson's Broadcast Over the years I’ve seen more clearly the miracle that is Israel. There’s seemingly no human reason for that nation to exist! And yet, despite the fierce opposition and the incredible odds the Jewish state persists and thrives. As a Christian, I sense this as I read the sweeping history of this nation in the Old Testament. And as I do, I become more supportive of Israel. How about you - do you consider yourself “pro-Israel?” If so, what does that mean? Here’s an interesting quote from someone whose views and understanding of Israel I really respect: http://johnfullerblog.com/2008/05/14/are-you-pro-israel/#comment-349
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Here are all the comments Comments 6 Responses to “Are You Pro-Israel?” Debra on May 15th, 2008 9:42 am Let us not only pray for Israel and the Peace of Jerusalem, but we must now share our blessing with The People of God’s eye. We must share the Gospel of Yeshua/Jesus with them. Time is short…if we don’t share the Gospel with all Jewish people it would be like loving them into Hell. Rebecca on May 15th, 2008 11:32 am Of course I am Pro-Isreal. I acctually thought that all christians were Pro-Isreal and only recently found out that some weren’t. Just knowing that God keeps his promise with Isreal, reasures me that he keeps his pomises with me, since He is a God who does not lie. If He made a covenant with Isreal and their land who am I to question or want to change that. He also says that he blesses those who bless Isreal and curses those who curses Isreal. I much rather be blessed than cursed. Happy Birthday Isreal! Judy on May 15th, 2008 1:13 pm I am not necessarily Pro-Israel or pro-Jew, but I am pro-God and have nothing against his chosen people, who to my knowledge, are not only the faithful Jewish people who follow Him, but those of us (Christians) who, when we accepted Jesus Christ as our Savior were adopted into the family of God. We too are “chosen” and His children. Remember, it was the Jewish people who crucified their Messiah! What disturbs me is the Jewish influence on America and our world from those who profess Judaism, but are skewed as the Pharisees were in Jesus’ day. They hide behind this facade and claim anti-semitism of anyone who opposes them, yet they constantly undermine our “Christian” nation. Remember, they DO NOT believe in Jesus Christ and don’t follow the commandments that He laid down for us. They DO NOT have the same values. John on May 15th, 2008 2:54 pm As a Christian believer, I really have no choice. The Bible instructs us to “Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem”. The Jewish people are our heritage as jesus was a Jew. The Bible was written (under the inspriation of the Holy Spirit) by jews. Peter was Jewish, Paul was a Jewish leader until jesus met him. We Christians are bound to support Isreal, because the Word of GOD tells us to. Happy 60th Jerusalem!! You will never be destroyed again! Renee on May 15th, 2008 7:21 pm I’m pro “all people” and I know that God is not happy with the Jewish people right now because they have rejected his Son. We need to pray that they will repent and turn to Yeshua/Jesus for if they don’t they will not spent eternity with him. Janelle Goodson on May 16th, 2008 7:27 am I am pleased with Pres. Bush’s speech in Israel. He is a man of great courage and is not afraid to tell the truth. Too bad many Americans cannot see the truth clearly anymore. Happy 60th Israel!!!! Renee on Your comment is awaiting moderation. May 16th, 2008 2:54 pm Yes Janelle and don’t you love that Bush is a Skull and Bones member too?? I think it’s great that he loves all religions even the occult. Did you know that he has appointed 11 members to his cabinet that where also from the skull and Bones. Bush also has said that all paths lead to the same God. Don’t you just love him?? He’s such a man of God! The best part is that Bush wants a One World Government. You know, the United Nations is working towards a one world government. Is that not to exciting?? Maybe us humans don’t need to obay and listen to God we can have peace on earth with Bush and his New World Order friends they will bring peace. All we need is the United Nations huh?? What do you think of that?? Boy I just love Bush he’s so God like!! Renee on Your comment is awaiting moderation. May 16th, 2008 3:10 pm My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. Hosea 4:6
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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I am neither pro nor anti Israel. Both sides of the conflict have crimes to answer for. There will NEVER be a solution or a workable peace.
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My position used to be that in the interest of peace, the borders should be put back to their 1967 status and the Palestinians should be given their own land. After 9/11, my position became, "F*ck 'em!". If that's the kind of activity they're going to engage in, let them be wiped off the face of the Earth.
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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Brian wrote: My position used to be that in the interest of peace, the borders should be put back to their 1967 status and the Palestinians should be given their own land. After 9/11, my position became, "F*ck 'em!". If that's the kind of activity they're going to engage in, let them be wiped off the face of the Earth. What has 9/11 got to do with the Palestinians ? The hijackers were Saudi nationals not Palestinians. Is it because a handful of people were filmed in Palestine "celebrating" the attacks ?, does that make the whole Palestinian nation guilty by association ?
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cynicalninja wrote: Brian wrote:My position used to be that in the interest of peace, the borders should be put back to their 1967 status and the Palestinians should be given their own land. After 9/11, my position became, "F*ck 'em!". If that's the kind of activity they're going to engage in, let them be wiped off the face of the Earth. It's got nothing to do with the nationality of the hijackers. It's got to do with their agenda. The purported reason for the attacks is America's foreign policy vis a vis Israel and the Palestinians. They should never, ever get one bit of what they want, in any way. In fact, the exact opposite should happen, to repudiate terrorism as a tactic.
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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Brian wrote: cynicalninja wrote:Brian wrote:My position used to be that in the interest of peace, the borders should be put back to their 1967 status and the Palestinians should be given their own land. After 9/11, my position became, "F*ck 'em!". If that's the kind of activity they're going to engage in, let them be wiped off the face of the Earth. Repudiating terrorism is a nice concept but practically unworkable and unrealistic. The more you take away and the harder you fight the more you fuel more terrorism, sad but true. The UK knows this, the situation in Northern Ireland is proof that at some point the negociating table is the ONLY place to go if the goal is peace unfortunately. For every bomb dropped a dozen terrorists/potential martyrs are born. The "war on terror" is unwinable.
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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cynicalninja wrote: Brian wrote:cynicalninja wrote:Brian wrote:My position used to be that in the interest of peace, the borders should be put back to their 1967 status and the Palestinians should be given their own land. After 9/11, my position became, "F*ck 'em!". If that's the kind of activity they're going to engage in, let them be wiped off the face of the Earth. The problem with the way the British did it is they weren't harsh enough. You have to go much further back in history to get a good model. It used to be that if a territory gave you any sh*t, you leveled it. And they didn't have any problems with terrorism, because the people were too weak and too intimidated to commit terrorist acts. A relatively modern example of this would be Sherman's March to the Sea. If you absolutely crush the opposition, you don't have to worry about it. (It was only after Reconstruction was ended that you had Jim Crow and the Klan sprouting up.)
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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Brian wrote: cynicalninja wrote:Brian wrote:cynicalninja wrote:Brian wrote:My position used to be that in the interest of peace, the borders should be put back to their 1967 status and the Palestinians should be given their own land. After 9/11, my position became, "F*ck 'em!". If that's the kind of activity they're going to engage in, let them be wiped off the face of the Earth. The UK has a long and bloody history of "levelling" the opposition and territory and look where we are now !...............................oh.........   I dare say carpet bombing Belfast and the Republic of Ireland (thats where the most terrorist cells where and bomb construction took place) would have been an effective if indiscriminate way of "levelling" the opposition. I dare say there may have been quite a few dissenting voices from across the atlantic if we had however. Even the most hardline members of both sides recognised the need for a sustainable peace despite decades of hatred. Lets meet in this thread 5 years from now and see how far the "coalition" have progressed in their war trying to level a noun to the ground.
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cynicalninja wrote: The UK has a long and bloody history of "levelling" the opposition and territory and look where we are now !...............................oh......... You're absolutely right that there would've been dissenting voices from across the Atlantic if Belfast had been leveled. The same way there would've been dissent in the US if Timothy McVeigh's hometown was leveled because of his actions. Unless the whole area is in insurrection (as is the case in the Palestinian territories) leveling the whole area is unjustified. And for the record, dissenting voices from other countries aren't what's most important. What's most important is protecting your own country. Alliances are built on mutual interest, not on whether or not the allies "like" each other. Incidentally, the Irish experience is one of the things encouraging the Palestinians in the first place. An example of successful terrorism does a lot to encourage it elsewhere (which is sort of my point). Again, there's a long history of terrorism being successfully stopped, if the government has the stones to actually do it. The idea that terrorists have to be cow-towed to because they can't be stamped out completely is silly. You're forgetting that terrorism isn't just a noun, but also a tactic -- a means to an end. If you deny the terrorists anything that they want, terrorism becomes less attractive. Would the Romans (or even the British of a bygone era) have put up with the Palestinian nonsense for more than a few days?
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Brian wrote: cynicalninja wrote:The UK has a long and bloody history of "levelling" the opposition and territory and look where we are now !...............................oh......... I think 21st century islamic fundamentallist terrorism is among the most nefarious and difficult to actually to pin down and detect in order to stop. When you have a terrorist philosophy that is 100% fearless where a martyrs death is taught as being actually preferable to life then it is going to be very difficult to eradicate. There is of course many historical cases where terrorism has been stopped but there are probably an equal number of historical cases where terrorist tactics have worked otherwise they still wouldn't be used so widespread in the world today. As for successful terrorism in Northern Ireland ? hmmmm......I'm not to sure that is the case, there have certainly been consessions made on both sides (the releasing of prisoners etc) but actual success ?. What did the IRA want ?, british troops out of Northern Ireland ?, no they are still there in less numbers but they still rule the streets, Northern Ireland to once again part of a united Ireland ?, no hasn't happened and I'm pretty sure it won't happen in my lifetime. So it depends on how you gauge success. I agree with the overall concept of using force to stop terrorism but unfortunately I have a problem with collateral damage.
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cynicalninja wrote: Brian wrote:You're absolutely right that there would've been dissenting voices from across the Atlantic if Belfast had been leveled. The same way there would've been dissent in the US if Timothy McVeigh's hometown was leveled because of his actions. Unless the whole area is in insurrection (as is the case in the Palestinian territories) leveling the whole area is unjustified. That's true, but not even a fundamentalist will martyr themselves for a hopeless cause. Terrorism isn't just about taking revenge on your oppressor. It's also about advancing your cause. If Islamic terrorism was only about killing infidels to get yourself brownie points with Allah, they wouldn't be an organized movement. (You don't need an organized movement to go blow yourself up.) cynicalninja wrote: There is of course many historical cases where terrorism has been stopped but there are probably an equal number of historical cases where terrorist tactics have worked otherwise they still wouldn't be used so widespread in the world today. Right. But what makes the difference between successful terrorism and unsuccessful terrorism? Terrorism fails when governments don't agree to any demands or negotiations, and just start killing the terrorists and their associates. A terrorist organization is basically an opposition group that has turned to violence. And opposition groups are squashed all the time, all around the world, on a regular basis. The key, since the beginning of civilization, has been to make an example of your foes. cynicalninja wrote: As for successful terrorism in Northern Ireland ? hmmmm......I'm not to sure that is the case, there have certainly been consessions made on both sides (the releasing of prisoners etc) but actual success ?. What did the IRA want ?, british troops out of Northern Ireland ?, no they are still there in less numbers but they still rule the streets, Northern Ireland to once again part of a united Ireland ?, no hasn't happened and I'm pretty sure it won't happen in my lifetime. So it depends on how you gauge success. The IRA didn't get British troops out of Northern Ireland, but they did get a lot of concessions, including, according to cynicalninja wrote: I agree with the overall concept of using force to stop terrorism but unfortunately I have a problem with collateral damage. Collateral damage should certainly be minimized.
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