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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Right, all of that is faith in text that other people wrote, at a time when superstitious and embellished stories were common. Right, faith in reporting done way after the fact, like centuries. Right, faith in your interpretation of things like "prophecies coming true." Right, faith that seeing things that impress you equate to miracles. Again, your personal standards, feelings, archaic text, and subscriptions are so far from fact for all it's absurd to even act like they are fact for all. But I am glad you at least acknowledge that it is in your head and not for all. Now that we've established faith isn't fact at all, does everyone here emotionally need to make everything an evil if it unites people, or is there someone that has a position that there are things that can seriously unite the People of Earth without being evil?
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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24HourNut wrote: Now that we've established faith isn't fact at all, does everyone here emotionally need to make everything an evil if it unites people, or is there someone that has a position that there are things that can seriously unite the People of Earth without being evil? Sure there are things that can "unite" people. There are common causes of "uniting" people. But what is the desired accomplishment or end result goal?
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The one I have been saying - greater peace and harmony, reducing the risk of wars, especially planet-devastating ones. The systems we've had are obviously failures and only promote conflict and confusion. It's time for some sort of change.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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That's fair. Not too far out I guess. It feels good but has yet to have any global success.
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I think this aversion to "feeling good" is sourced back to the archaic days of suffering and hellish punishment. Or, more specifically, an inherent force in organized religions to be your own, faith to the club, seeing others as infidels to be punished and not cooperated with or respected. That is part of the crap we have to get rid of if we are ever going to unite in a serious way. Everyone needs to put aside their personal subjective religious BS and put FREEDOM & PEACE first. Or else we will keep doing what we have always been doing - destroying each other. The "evil" in the world is too much self-centeredness. Religious fanatics in the Middle East are just extreme examples of it, but the same root reason stands.
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I just remembered, I wrote about that as a topic a while back: http://www.24hourforums.com/view_topic.php?id=9045&forum_id=60
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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p.s. CN - that cartoon is great! Drives home a good point very effectively! I know, it puts paid to the myth that Atheism is a faith in a light hearted fashion.
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I particularly love how when it comes to Atheism, just because an opinion is held, it's a "faith." But when a true religious person believes something, i.e. organized religion, it is more than just opinion or believing, it's true and fact - even for all! Except, of course, when it is the faith of Atheism? Hypocritical? 
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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Indeed it seems Atheism is the only faith in the world that is open to such blatant attack and derision. A belief in a talking snake tricking a rib woman into eating an apple is a more valid belief than a belief in there being no intelligent creator because of the complete lack of evidence to support it. As an Atheist hypocrisy is something I encounter everyday.
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rosieisahippo Original500© Member  The government is not GOD!
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We don't need to UNITE we need to UNTIE Binding us all to eachother by FORCE is a sure fire recipe for war. I will use my discretion and give my consent to whom I choose, not to whom you choose for me. Forced unity is like a pre-arranged marriage arranged by some third party. It's wrong. You are the warmongers. When it comes it'll be your doing and your fault.
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What are you talking about - who said by force?
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rosieisahippo Original500© Member The government is not GOD!
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24HourNut wrote: I wasn't speaking of global tyranny or government, I asked what I asked. Is it possible for humans to be much more united without some big negativity or evil? Do you not believe in freedom and the autonomy of the individual and their right to life,liberty the pursuit of happiness and to feel secure in their persons? Why do you feel so strongly that my personal individual goals and pursuit of happiness must conform so stringently to those of the group? That sounds extraordinarilly fascist to me. I don't think I like you.  Last edited on 03:09 am by rosieisahippo |
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Do you not believe in freedom and the autonomy of the individual and their right to life,liberty the pursuit of happiness and to feel secure in their persons? I do, strongly. Why do you feel so strongly that my personal individual goals and pursuit of happiness must conform so stringently to those of the group? That sounds extraordinarilly fascist to me. I don't feel that they must comform so stringently to those of the group. I don't think I like you. That's OK, I'm not so crazy about someone who can't seem to have a conversation without chronically assuming and putting words in my mouth.
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rosieisahippo Original500© Member The government is not GOD!
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24HourNut wrote: Do you not believe in freedom and the autonomy of the individual and their right to life,liberty the pursuit of happiness and to feel secure in their persons? Who put any words in your mouth here? I asked you two questions and you answered them,and I gave a speculative,uncertain or undefinite opinion about you. Paranoid much?
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First you suggested I was OK with unity by force, then you acted like I was OK with conforming stringently to the group. I'm not being paranoid, I'm noticing your high level of assuming and pretending I took positions I did not. Like I said, you apparently can't have a normal conversation. That's fine. I tried, and it didn't work.
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