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24HourForums.com > Supported Forums > Robodoon's New World Order Zone > Trying to Destroy the USA ...is TREASON |
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Robodoon Original500© Member  God Fearing Patriot
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U.S., Mexico, Canada partnership underway with no authorization from Congress http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=14965 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50618 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_integration http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/ We don't live in the USA anymore. Our Constitution is ignored, our leaders are traitorous...and they plan to put those that resist into camps...thats the real definition of a terrorist...those the resist the plans of the rich...those that resist the new world order under Lucifer. now wave your flag...and wonder what the heck you are waving it for....
 "...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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1jester Pioneer100© Member  Pilgrim Sojourner
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Why? Probably for the same reason Clinton isn't in prison.:exactly:
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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dpoole Pioneer100© Member  Fair and Unbalanced
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The global economy is eroding the importance of the nation state. Nation states arose in part to deal with the problems of political fragmentation of feudalism, and I suspect were opposed by those invested in fiefdoms at the time. Nation states have had their disadvantages as well over time, if you'll notice. It took a couple of World Wars to get Europe over their conviction that nation states were the be-all-and-end-all of political organization. The rest of the world (not just the US, by any stretch of the imagination) is busy building free trade zones modeled on the Common Market. Can political unification by stages possibly be far behind? Eroding national competitiveness and wars and rendering more efficient, unencumbered and equitable the international production of wealth does not strike me as all that devious a plot.
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Impedimentus Original500© Member  Terricolous Creature
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dpoole wrote:
For a minute I thought Pmh1nic posted the above, it certainly sounds like his warped logic. I suggest you go live in some of those states that are assisting with the unencumbered and equitable the international production of wealth, perhaps the experience of the unencumbered internationalization of corruption, exploitation (especially of children and women), and the destruction of the American middle class will finally shake some that globalization dogma out of your otherwise sharp mind. The armchair internationalists and their pollyanna followers are no different than the chicken hawks and their air-headed squad of lemmings who got us in the Iraq mess, except the internationalists are more dangerous and more cruel, and most of all, more amoral. And please spare me the same old collatoral damage BS, it doesn't wash. <armchair internationalists>  Last edited on 03:00 am by Impedimentus |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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I have a great deal I could contribute to this, as you might know, David... .. But I'm not going to enter into what will be a far more futile debate with RoboTroll than any I ever entered into in the old OF and here. there would be no reasonable debate with this troll. David, you and I could have some interesting conversations offline-- but I refuse to take part in any thread in which the level of bias and bullheadedness that RoboTroll shows would be present. I have better things to do than to try to have a functional conversaton with him.
Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! I am but a vassal of Thine, and Thou art, in truth, the King of kings. I have lifted my suppliant hands unto the heaven of Thy grace and Thy bounties. |
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member  Ye Olde Dead King
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First, for the record I did not click on any of the links. I think Robodoon brings up an interesting point about what those elected to preserve, protect and defend are really doing to us. I agree that to a large degree our Constitution and the will of the people is being ignored by our leaders. If a political figure wants to do away with the Constitution, they need to get themselves elected on that basis and be open about what they are doing. As it is they are doing away with it by slow steps and in secret. I am reminded of the frog placed in a pan of cool water. I know that "globalism" is the wave of the future and the hope of those who wish to usher in a "new age." However, I believe the idea is flawed and will lead to conflicts that will make those of the early and middle 20th Century look like quaint and charming affairs in comparison. I see heavy costs associated with the "new age of globalism," among those costs will be the loss of rights in relation to speech, religion, self defense, finance and perhaps even thought. The global power that will run the "international community" will not be able to allow independent idea or action, to do so would reduce their power. The brutal exercise of power is the only thing that would keep such a system in place for more than a very short period of time.
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dpoole Pioneer100© Member Fair and Unbalanced
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I wonder what the online conversations were among the citizens of the thirteen colonies as they contemplated uniting. Doomsday and halcyon anticipations no doubt were abundant on both sides. In truth, neither "side" likely foretold what ultimately transpired, i.e., how the human spirit adapted to historic change. Imp, I don't know where to go with our conversation, you and I. You clearly have been transfixed by the negative aspects of this transformation, and apparently believe that no corrective mechanism does, will or perhaps can exist. I guess we'll just have to wait and see together. Aethelred, to pretend historical changes of this magnitude will stir conflict goes without saying (I'd propose that al Qaeda is a direct reactionary response to the globalization phenomenon). Again, though, one might have imagined that individual latitude would have been compromised by the rise of nations states, had people thought in those terms then. But we'd probably admonish that those people hadn't anticipated changes like the rule of law the Enlightenment. And who even a generation ago would have envisioned the democratizing, even the atomizing, impact of the Internet? Remember "1984?" Many during my youth looked at the world then, posited an historical "straight line", and therefore thought the vision plausible.
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1jester Pioneer100© Member Pilgrim Sojourner
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dpoole wrote: The global economy is eroding the importance of the nation state. Nation states arose in part to deal with the problems of political fragmentation of feudalism, and I suspect were opposed by those invested in fiefdoms at the time.Americanism is the very essence of free trade and rule of law. Globalism, however, is based on the idea of feudalism and protectionism; the EU is all about favoritism, not free trade.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member Ye Olde Dead King
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Again, though, one might have imagined that individual latitude would have been compromised by the rise of nations states I would argue that in every case it was at some point. The larger the nation/empire the greater the abuse of those who were subject to it.
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From Star Trek type fantasy, we get this globalism will work thing from people who just don't know the world or the species. I am much further beyond the average latino illegals than they are above chimpanzees. More like two species, and a speciation event would occur if the biosphere wasn't ruined by overpopulation (2040-2100). I would say the illegal immigration became a conquestorial invasion after the first million, and there is an unprecedented 31 million illegals in this country killing over 14k Americans per year (plus millions of other victims) and increasing. The Mex Gov't long ago Abrogated the Treaty of 1848--when a treaty is abrogated by one of the parties, the war is still on. Encouraging the illegals with talk of amnesty or a guest worker program we already have (green cards) is a Federal felony for each illegal aided, abetted, encouraged or employed, carrying a $5k fine/5 yrs/ each(Sec8USC1324). The illegals themselves are subject to a $2k fine and confiscation of property(Sec8USC1325), and if the use false IDs, another $5k/5 yrs. Deportation for all illegals and recent legal immigrants who help them. So GHW Bush owes $23 billion and because it had become an invasion, trial for treason Art. 4 Sec. 4 US Constitution. Clintoon owes $50 billion and trial on the US Constitutional charges of disobedience of Oath of Office, too. GW Bush so far owes $70 billion to the American people, and trial for the same reasons , except in a time of War, which carries the death sentence. Now, of course those in all branches of governemnt who took the Oath to "Uphold the Constitution of the United States" and made no efforts to stop this unprecedented invasion, are also guilty of Treason--and felony encouragement. Corrupt business owners and orgs like MEChA, LaRaza, SBLC, and the ACLU are all guilty of multiple $5k fine felonies. There would be enough fine money to not only pay for enforcement and deportations, but get the USA out of debt. What we will probably get instead is a revolution/civil-race war, with US Armed Forces ordered and refusing to shoot American Patriots. The economic breakdown would spread to 4x the 1930s Depression and last until humans are extinct by 2100. Last edited on 04:42 pm by |
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"The Mex Gov't long ago Abrogated the Treaty of 1848--when a treaty is abrogated by one of the parties, the war is still on." "So GHW Bush owes $23 billion and because it had become an invasion, trial for treason Art. 4 Sec. 4 US Constitution. Clintoon owes $50 billion and trial on the US Constitutional charges of disobedience of Oath of Office, too. GW Bush so far owes $70 billion to the American people, and trial for the same reasons , except in a time of War, which carries the death sentence." Actually, according to your logic, Clinton should be tried under capital treason as well since the Mexican - American war has never ended. Also I'm curious where you arrive at the 31 million illegal aliens figure as the US Census Department says the foreign born population of the US is 33.1 million with 8 to 9 million illegals http://www.cis.org/topics/currentnumbers.html and most figures I've read are 12 million with an extreme of 20 million. Edited to fix the link. Last edited on 06:03 pm by cdmead |
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dpoole Pioneer100© Member Fair and Unbalanced
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Gentlepeople: I have to say, I'm taken by the unanimity and conviction that the demise of the nation state and the rise of international institutions means invariably the loss of freedoms, the exploitation of innocents, and the insidious take-over of the human race by shadowy subversive uber-organizations. I'm taken, too, by the disregard of my arguments that humankind has seen fundamental periods of change in political organization repeatedly before, and has yet survived to produce the greatest prospects for human productivity, human justice, peace and prosperity that the human race has ever known. Despite such outcomes, you all sound as though you regard the future and the uncertain as an unmitigated and foregone evil, and the only recourse for human survival is to hunker down and resist the inexorable currents now taking place. I admit, my own perspective is shaped as a child of the fifties. If one were to ask us as a people then what we would have thought, were the Soviets to collapse beneath the weight of their corruption, were hidebound autocracies and institutions as far flung as Africa and Asia to adopt the principle of individual initiative and free enterprise, were the world interested in the establishment of international rules and laws of conduct concerning things military and economic, were nations to become more responsive to the aggregate of individual human yearning, competence and initiative, I imagine we as Americans would have arisen almost as one then, and cheered our assent. Indeed, it appears that our ideals, our Enlightenment notions of the creative potential of individual freedom, has won. Because of the American experiment, we now find unleashed a nearly universal interest on the part of individuals in opportunities for communication, betterment, enterprise. This is bringing inexorable pressures on autocracies to respond and relent. It is becoming increasingly difficult for a nation to repress individual and political freedoms, and increasingly possible to prosper. There are reactionary forces at work, certainly. Al Qaeda envisions retrograding the Middle East to some idealized medieval caliphate that never in fact existed. Putin apparently presumes that oil will allow the resurgence of a Czarist state in Russia. Farmers in Europe insist on protectionism. Politicians in our country speculate about (or at least pander to) the notions of some resurgence of merchantilist tariffs, to protect industries that are globally non-competitive. We are tempted by the linear notion that the compromise of the power of the nation-state means the commensurate loss of individual freedoms. Yet note how we complain about the accumulating intrusion of the national state on our individual liberties, and how in fact turning to the international community for communication and information, for markets, for purchases, for investment, all inhibit such intrusions and foster our liberties. You all are undoubtedly correct, that such massive historical changes will bring about tremendous disruptions, and will bring intense periods of human suffering. I submit, though, that all such periods have brought about such experiences. But even in the hey-day of the periods of institutional dominance, humankind was scarcely immune from such cataclysms (need I recount the human suffering that has occurred during the era of the nation state, for all its advantages?) Some of you seem at least to acknowledge the inevitability of the significant historical changes now taking place, even while you lament it. Consider, though, the pitfalls of straight-line thinking (like Malthus), and how any such projections based on present certainties are almost always false. This does not mean that the unforeseen will not also mean great tragedies, but only that we should grasp the future as an opportunity for the human spirit, rather than a certain dread.
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Impedimentus Original500© Member Terricolous Creature
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Dpoole wrote: There are reactionary forces at work, certainly. Al Qaeda envisions retrograding the Middle East to some idealized medieval caliphate that never in fact existed. Putin apparently presumes that oil will allow the resurgence of a Czarist state in Russia. Farmers in Europe insist on protectionism. Politicians in our country speculate about (or at least pander to) the notions of some resurgence of merchantilist tariffs, to protect industries that are globally non-competitive. ______________________________________________________________________ There is an unprecedented increase in human trafficking and the exploitation of women and children as sex slaves. The Russian middle and educated class has been devastated by the Russian Mafia’s and the transfer of the wealth of the state to a few multi-billionaire tycoons. The majority of the increase in wealth in China has gone to a few in the communist and business elite while millions in the rural population are poorer than before the great miracle of globalization. Millions of Chinese have lost even rudimentary healthcare. The American middle-class is under an assault worse than that of the robber barons of the last century. Multi-national corporations enjoy more rights under US law than ever while their liability for wronging pales in comparison to the liability of American citizens who are funding a multi-national corporate welfare state, bought lock, stock and barrel from a Congress that couldn’t care less about their own citizens.. Endemic corruption in Indian has become institutionalized. The list goes on and on and the Pollyanna’s proclaim any change is good because they have refused to open there eyes to what is happening in the real world, instead they prefer to offer hollowed eyed shallow smiles in some magical fantasy make-believe world of the New Oz. The suffering and economic and physical enslavement of hundreds of millions is shrugged off as collatoral damage - too bad they say, would you like another glass of claret? Perhaos most disappointing of all, it has become obvious that Dpoole  is Pmh1nic's alt ID.  < >Last edited on 03:31 am by Impedimentus |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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"American middle-class is under an assault worse than that of the robber barons of the last century. Multi-national corporations enjoy more rights under US law than ever while their liability for wronging pales in comparison to the liability of American citizens " This could not BE more true. Anyone who wants to talk about activist judges should look at the record of corporate vs wronged consumer cases before the judiciary, and how many of those cases are found in favor of the huge corporation. The number of cases in which a consumer or small business was wronged by a huge corporation (insurance, healthcare, financial fraud, the list is long and distinguished) absolutely PALES in comparison to the number of cases in which activist judges did a Schiavo... And yet you do not see the Religious Right standing up for the rights of their individual congregational members as they are mistreated by employers, insurers, healthcare providers, fianancial institutions, etc. The RR is completely silent in it's non-efforts to protect the fortunes and happiness of it's own congregational members in their increasing losses of rights and livelihood to the corporate State.
Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! I am but a vassal of Thine, and Thou art, in truth, the King of kings. I have lifted my suppliant hands unto the heaven of Thy grace and Thy bounties. |
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member Ye Olde Dead King
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And yet you do not see the Religious Right standing up for the rights of their individual congregational members as they are mistreated by employers, insurers, healthcare providers, fianancial institutions, etc. To me this is like complaining that your doctor does not give you good stock market advice. That is not his job! Likewise it is not the job of churches to look out for the finincial welfare of their parishioners (except to offer finincial support in time of need). I want (and have) a church that deals with my spiritual needs and condition, one that concerns itself with my spiritual joy not my material happiness (there is a big difference between joy and happiness by the way). If a primary concern of a church is the finincial well being of it's membership, it has lost it's course and is of no use in the objective it was founded to pursue. This I believe is the problem with so many churches in America today. I believe if they were to concentrate on the object of winning souls to Christ many of the other problem would be naturally taken care of as a result. By concentrating on these other problems (problems of no lasting importance in the larger view), they not only fail to have any impact on these problems, but they also fail in their main objective. Religious Right....it's own congregational members The so called "religious right" does not have congregational members, it is a political movement not a religious one and by all means not a spiritual one. I am not even sure what the "religious right" is or if I am considered a part of it. I am politically conservative and I am a Christian, but the only organization that I am a member of is my church. In my church politics never comes up, except when prayer is offered for our nations leaders. There have been prayers for President Bush, but there have also been prayers for the new leadership in Congress. I don't know how, or even if, most of the members of my small church vote or what they think about political issues. In short, I see political and finincial issues as being of a much lower level of importance than spiritual issues. I want my church to focus on what I believe is important, I'll worry about healthcare, fianancial institutions and what-not on my own.
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