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Robodoon Original500© Member  God Fearing Patriot
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 VIDEO CLIP Jean Soderman when asked "if Agenda 21 would be worse then what Hitler did?" Win VIDEO CLIP Jean Soderman when asked "if Agenda 21 would be worse then what Hitler did?" REAL She says, YES! "Agenda 21 is a 40-chapter UN document to reorganize the world around socialist, command and control regulation."Michael S. Coffman, Ph. D. What Agenda 21 is doing to the USA right now http://www.takingliberty.us Explaination of Agenda 21 for Government officials http://www.freedom21santacruz.net/guide.pdf Free Film explaining Agenda 21 and how it got here in the USA without the people knowing. Films on UNITED NATIONS AGENDA 21, Global to Local SHORT VIDEO PRESENTATION CLIP LINK BELOW (MUST SEE) TAKING LIBERTY SHORT PRESENTATIONS HOW PRIVATE PROPERTY IS BEING ABOLISHED IN THE USA TODAY click link
Speaking of Agenda 21 128k version . Dr. Stanley Monteith of Radio Liberty ( http://www.radioliberty.com ) and Michael Shaw of Freedom 21 Santa Cruz ( http://www.f21sc.net ) explain United Nations Agenda 21 and its Goals. Michael Shaw goes over how dialectic is used to forward it in the USA today, while Dr. Monteith goes over extensions of its dimensions. Learn what is going on right now in the USA, against every one of the citizens. That’s right we the people are getting zoomed. Video film at Eagle Forum (http://www.eagleforumofcalifornia.com ) Conference 2006 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4299496017777786958&q=Agenda+21 Google Link 128K High Bandwidth http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8688827003020256523&q=Agenda+21&hl=en Google Link 300K
America's Choice - Liberty or Sustainable Development (1 of 3) ... member of Freedom 21 Santa Cruz, shows how the concepts behind sustainable development are incompatible with personal liberty. Michael Coffman, President ... The American Policy Center - 1 hr 21 min - Apr 8, 2006  (5 ratings) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8137185398743302029&q=Sustainable+Development VIDEO LINK
America's Choice - Liberty or Sustainable Development (2 of 3) ... member of Freedom 21 Santa Cruz, shows how the concepts behind sustainable development are incompatible with personal liberty. Michael Coffman, President ... The American Policy Center - 2 hr 9 min - Apr 8, 2006   (3 ratings) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8903112019958738510&q=Sustainable+Development VIDEO LINK
America's Choice - Liberty or Sustainable Development (3 of 3) ... member of Freedom 21 Santa Cruz, shows how the concepts behind sustainable development are incompatible with personal liberty. Michael Coffman, President ... The American Policy Center - 1 hr 55 min - Apr 8, 2006 (6 ratings) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3160326442882912356&q=Sustainable+Development VIDEO LINK  FREEDOM 21 VS AGENDA 21 Direct link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2825561378702705613&hl=en Google Video Michael Shaw explains what Freedom 21 is about as well as going over UNITED NATIONS Agenda 21 and what Freedom 21 and you can do to expose what is being hoisted on "WE THE PEOPLE" 20 Min. UNDERSTANDING SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT with Michael Shaw 128 K version http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5851037913031723401 300 K Version http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8968404190871854336&hl=en %20of%20Soderman%20pic.jpg) VIDEO Jean Soderman Local Agenda 21 to Global Agenda 21, Biodiversity, Sustainable Development Jean Soderman talks about Local Agenda 21 and ties it to Global Agenda 21. Also talks on Biodiversity, GAIA, NGO's and Corporations and shows how they are all working against us using useful idiots in many cases.  Agenda 21 Enforcement Joan Peros Speaking on her trip to the UN Summit in South Africa High Bandwidth extended Version http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-893921550183947386&q=Robodoon&hl=en VIDEO Joan Peros talks about her trip to the United Nations Summit in South Africa. She exposes the fraud of Agenda 21, Global Water Policy, Sustainable Development. She states the UN is moving to ENFORCEMENT on programs "WE THE PEOPLE" aren't even aware is active in the SUPER RESOURCE SITE FROM A REAL UN AGENDA 21 TEST GROUND IN THE USA http://www.f21sc.net Last edited on 06:26 pm by Robodoon  "...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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You're a true American, Doon!! Your work toward enlightening our people does not go unnoticed nor unappreciated by some.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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I'm all for ending the UN or at least our membership. I keep seeing the oxymoron "sustainable development", when the world is 8 times overloaded with humans. It should be "development of sustainability".
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Interesting clips, I thought that the man discussing Agenda 21 made some valid philosophical points about why individual liberty and not state collectivism are the basis of western ideas of liberty. Though I have to say also that in terms of an ideological response to what is happening to in particular the climate, some honesty on the fact human activity is definetly causing what are now becomming obvious climatic impacts would make the arguments less dogmatic and ideological than they seem to be. The environmental challenges that we do face do not require a global government, state control of property, or a destruction of civil liberites to achieve. Essentially they are technical problems, that require international cooperation and understanding, the development of new energy technologies (by private companies and indivduals), and the provision of options that will allow citizens of all the advanced industrial states to make their own decisions about how they use the resources available to them. Coertion will not work, firstly because it is immoral, it has no basis in any law, and also be the time that any power was developed that had the ability to simply coerce every human being on planet earth our window of opportunity to actually reduce the impact that our industrial and technical society is having on our surrounding environment would be long gone. Anyway, we would all be too busy fighting this global nanny state, which sounds a lot like the one in Huxley's brave new world. I think it is for the citizens of each free country on earth to decide how they will regulate their lives, follow their own agendas, and create a leagacy (of whatever sort) for their children. A retreat in political dogman, environmental ideology, religious intolerance, superstition, a culture of dependency, a belief that the state can or shoud fix everything, a belief that powerful individuals, organizations, and companies will (when left to their own devices) always make alrusistic decsions) cultural degenercy, isolationalism, xenophobia, and fear, are exactly the things we need to avoid. We need to honestly and rationally debate and disucss where we are right now, how we see things, and most pressingly, how we are going to continue the huge scientific and technical advances that have contributed to human well-being and liberty, without either becoming slaves to technology, an easy life, and not destroying the eco-system that we depend upon for our well being are what is required. Not a retreat into entrenched ideological postions.
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Robodoon Original500© Member God Fearing Patriot
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1jester wrote: You're a true American, Doon!! Your work toward enlightening our people does not go unnoticed nor unappreciated by some. Well thank you, but as you know all we can do is fight the good fight. Duty is ours, the Results are God's ;)
"...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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moguitar wrote: I'm all for ending the UN or at least our membership. Well the world isn't over populated, thats an elite trick. The population of the Earth can be put in one state of the USA with room to spare. There is more land and resources then we know what to do with....but the idea of Crisis has been purposely created in the minds of the masses to justify "social change" This social change has nothing to do with "saving the earth" or "protecting the earth" its all about controlling the people. The fat cats plan to rule the rest of the earth as kings, while making mankind their slaves. This trick was spoken about a long time ago. Aurelio Peccei founder and past president of the Club of Rome said” (the Birth of World Government Paraphrased from page16 by Michael S. Coffman Ph.D) The thing they don’t tell the people about this is that the Elites cause all the pollution (they own the Multinationals corps) , and Fraud sources for Global Warming (3500 scientist who agree with global warming all get grants from the UN or the EPA while the 18,000 scientist who say it is a fraud do not) . http://www.discerningtoday.org/ Groups like the Sierra Club are directly related to the Club of Rome and past Leadership have even stated they are in league with the Club of Rome and desire the Global Government promised by them. Past leadership has stated by a guy named Elvin
If you read the Club of Rome report, Limits of Growth, you will find they intend to create artificial shortages. Other publications such as The Unfinished Agenda and the 1992 Rio Report To The Club of Rome confirm that objective. They believe shortages are better than abundance, and low living standards are better than high living standards.[For us, not them] I suggest you reread my January letter, evaluate the information cited there, and then read the summary of the Global Biodiversity Assessment contained in my Sustainable Development Syllabus. When you grasp the significance of the concepts discussed there you will understand why there is an energy shortage in California, and why the price of natural gas is rising across the nation. The "Elite" groups that rule the world want to create artificial shortages, force people to limit their consumption, and undermine our way of life. [23] http://www.radioliberty.com/nlmar01.htm Like I keep saying Humans haven’t polluted the earth it’s a game, the pollution that has been done by “man” has been because of the forced finite markets of the Elites. They hold monopolies on everything and we can only use what they say, ,like oil and MTBE which Pollute.
"...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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Robodoon Original500© Member God Fearing Patriot
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Galbally wrote: Interesting clips, I thought that the man discussing Agenda 21 made some valid philosophical points about why individual liberty and not state collectivism are the basis of western ideas of liberty. Well the use of common sense really isn't allowed in the international debates, The debates are done in a hegelian dialectic fashion, so that real common sense ideas and real self sustainablity are not allowed. God made the world to work, some men with finite markets don't like that idea, it removes their control over the rest of us. So we are pushed down a path of misconceptions. The world isn't in such bad shape and the pollution and population problems are over blown for the purposes of creating crisis that begs solution. Problem is the people who could be seen as the real trouble makers for our conditions today are the same ones offering the solutions for the problems they promote and help create, in reality or in the minds of the masses. Setting themselves up as saviors to the earth and its people, when really, removing them from power if it were possible would solve most of the problems we now face, in reality and in the minds of the masses. Last edited on 06:14 pm by Robodoon "...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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It depends on the debate and who is having it I think, we live in a world of about 200 nations, and at least 5 major civilizations, is unrealistic to think that try to determine anything on an international level is not complex or involves compromise. Sure, if you believe that god actually made the world. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, thats a religious argument, not a scientific one. The world does indeed work, very elegantly, whether we are in it or not, and it would be foolish to think that its only here for us, it isn't, and if the ecosystem stops being so benign, then all of that will become very apparent. I studied climatic chemistry in univeristy up to degree level, and I have worked in the environmental field (not as a greenpeace, save the vegetables activist, but as a scientist). Whatever about other issues, such as habitat preservation, general pollution, genetic diverity, deforestation, over-fishing, ozone depletion, etc etc etc. I can tell you that global warming and climate change are a reality and are occuring right now, its not a political, or economic argment or point, its simply what is happening. Scientists have no interest in being politicans, gurus, economic captains of industry, or socially powerful people. (e.g. how many people in Congress, The Houses of Parliment, the Reichstag, the Chinese Communist Party, or the Russian Duma are actually scientists? Erm, not many, but how many are lawyers, ex-generals, and economists? Lots. It is also not scientists job or inclination to "save" people from their own idocy, they are fundamentally engaged in studying things, and reporting the results and conclusions as accuratly and as honestly as humanly possible. Don't confuse the scientific community with the environmental lobby, or the worlds' governments' media machines. It is depressing that many people across the world in positions of power will neither be honest, or actually deal with the reality of what is happening, however, it is not surprising. At this stage, my attitude is that the countries that are prepared to engage on the climate change issue, should just go ahead and do they best they can to improve their own situation as global agreement seems impossible, the debate has become entirely politicized and debased by ideological and short-term politcial arguments, and its becomming impossible to debate it as a scientific issue. So, for those that want to do something useful on this issue, they should not delay as time is of the essence, and they will reap the benefits in the long run, as they will have developed better and more efficient economic, energy, and transport systems, and they will prosper because of it. Last edited on 07:33 pm by Galbally |
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Robodoon Original500© Member God Fearing Patriot
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Galbally wrote:
The international frame work and the schools of higher learning are under the same, the Rich...and the media too. For about 40 years now it has been the Rich teaching about environmentalims in the school systems, both lower and higher. The Rich gained the University systems first around 80 years ago and then went after the public schools. So a lot of what people have been taught in the last 40 years is just what the Elites wanted us to learn. The earth has natural cycles. Global warming and cooling are part of these cycles. They are being used to scare people into compliance. Do you remember 30 years ago we were being told about a coming ice age, now its a push for global warming. Here is 18,000 scientists who say Man isn't causing the global warming http://www.oism.org/pproject/ And did you know the man who did the original models for global warming for the UN says the UN is lying? He says they are using the worst possible cases that would never ever happen and using that as the norm. Now for sake of Argument lets say global warming is being caused by man. Do you know what the solution is? Well its UN Agenda 21. According to the powers that be thats the only thing being offered to mankind right now. So According to UN Agenda 21, what is required to save the Earth is you give up everything and live under communism...basically. A list of things that aren't Sustainable. February 24, 2003 The Global Biodiversity Assessment Report completed by UNEP calls for urgent action to reverse the effects of unsustainable human activities on global biodiversity, including but not limited to the following: What UNEP considers to be "Unsustainable" PAGE REFERENCES From The Biodiversity Report Assessment Report 337 Ski Runs 350 Grazing of Livestock: cows, sheep, goats, horses 351 Disturance of the Soil Surface - Page 350 Large hoofed animals, compaction of soil, reducing filtration 351 Fensing of Pastures or Paddocks 728 Agriculture 728 Modern Farm Production Systems 728 Chemical Fertilizers 728 Herbicides 728 Building Materials 730 Industrial Activities 730 Human-Made caves of brick and mortar, concrete and steel 730 Paved and Tarred roads, highways, rails (page 351) 730 Railroads 730 Floor and Wall Tiles 733 Aquaculture 733 Technology Improvements 733 Farmlands, Ranglands 733 Pastures, Ranglands 733 Pastures 733 Fish Ponds 733 Plantations 738 Modern Hunting 738 Harvesting of Timber 749 Logging Activities 728 Fossil Fuels - Used for driving various kindsof machines 755 Dams, Reseroirs, Straightening Rivers 757 Power Line Construction 763 Economic systems that fail to set a proper value on the environment 763 Inappropriate Social Structures 763 Weaknesses in Legal and Institutional Systems 766, 838 Modern Attitudes toward nature - Judaeo-Christian-Islamic religions 767, 782 Private Property 771 Population Growth - Human Population Density 773 Consumerism 774 Fragmentation of Habitat - cemeteries, derelict lands, rubbish tips, etc 774 Sewers, Drain Systems, Pipelines 783 Land use that serves human needs 969 Fisheries 970 Golf Courses 970 Scuba Diving 728 Synthetic drugs 990 Fragmentation - Agricultural development, Forestry Urbanization (impervious surfaces) For more information about the UN Global The above list is an excerpt from the UNEP Global Biodiversity Assessment, available at: http://earthwatch.unep.ch/biodiversity/assessment.php You see the Rich who own the "polluting" multinationals don't plan to change, they just plan to change us. Maurice Strong said "...current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work-place air-conditioning, and suburban housing - are not sustainable. A shift is necessary. which will require a vast strengthening of the multilateral system, including the United Nations..."[1] Maurice Strong , opening speech at the 1992 UN Conference on Environment and Development http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/la21_198.html Last edited on 10:19 pm by Robodoon "...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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Robodoon wrote: Galbally wrote:Thanks for pointing this out. Anyone over the age of 35 should remember this, if they were paying attention in school, and reading the media. Global warming as an idea wasn't heard of; it was a fear of the opposite, a coming ice age. How quickly people forget. Last edited on 10:55 pm by 1jester Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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The rich and the elites have always ruled, everywhere, and they always will. Whats different about the last 40 years, and what would you suggest as an alternative to a politcal, religious, social, econonic, or educational hierarchy? Can you suggest how a non-hierarchical human society would function. Perhaps thats a shame, but its a human truth.
Yes, the earth does have cycles, and the state of its climate at any one time is the result of many variables, with the sun always and forever being the dominant factor. However, that doesn't mean that you should blithley ignore something that is clearly wrong, has an identifyable anthropogenic source, and we can actu | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
