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24HourForums.com > Supported Forums > Robodoon's New World Order Zone > Ten Commandments 'cover-up' revealed at Supreme Court |
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Well I've done this before. So? So have I. Like I said, you have absolutely no idea what I am using so please don't assume you are more qualified, better read, or using better reference materials than I am. So your telling me that all these God believes who were mostly Christian despised the Bible itself, Christianity itself, Organized Religion of any type, or religious instruction in public schools. No, I said what I said about some key Founders. They most all went to Church, but they hated Religious instruction and organized religion of any type? Not all of them, and again, there is a difference between their positions on the benefits of personal worship ... and the Bible, Christianity, Organized Religion, and religious instruction. Remember, just because something was common in the day, doesn't mean they felt it should be that way for future generations to be bound by, if freedom was to be protected. There was lots of slavery around them as well. That's why you state things like how they went to Church - you don't respect or recognize their ability to separate their personal religious feelings for what should bind everyone going forward. For example, with the religious instruction. That's a great example of the Founders being revolutionary and putting freedom and principles before subjective things like personal religious feelings. Freedom of the mind and sciences was a big part of protecting freedom. The one time the Founders were actually put to the test in regard to using religious instruction (the norm and standard of the day) in a tax-funded public school system, they purposefully kept religious instruction off the curriculum and disallowed visiting priests (which was commonplace, normally). They made the first tax-funded public school system in the School Act of 1817. The stated reasons for this ranged from conflict with the First Amendment to despising how religious instruction muddied the sciences. Thomas Jefferson, who designed this first tax-funded public school system, really despised religious instruction and Organized Religion. When he designed the first State University, professors of divinity weren't even allowed to be there. That's the School Act of 1819. These two new systems were purposefully secular and the paperwork and reasoning around them were clearly anti-religious instruction and noted the negatives and dangers of the other items I mentioned. Those two School Acts are infamous for exemplifying the break away from Organized Religion and stating the dangers and negatives of including superstitious untruths about the world in education.
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24HourNut wrote: Well I've done this before.
So your telling me that all these God believes who were mostly Christian despised the Bible itself, Christianity itself, Organized Religion of any type, or religious instruction in public schools.
They most all went to Church, but they hated Religious instruction and organized religion of any type? Not all of them, and again, there is a difference between their positions on the benefits of personal worship ... and the Bible, Christianity, Organized Religion, and religious instruction. Remember, just because something was common in the day, doesn't mean they felt it should be that way for future generations to be bound by, if freedom was to be protected. Freedom at that time was only seen in the USA as coming from God and under God. We were not claiming the same things as the French enlightenment, we were realing from the Great Awakening. These two are opposites. style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8" There was lots of slavery around them as well. Slavery has always been on the Earth, it still is today...Muslims hold Christians as slaves today. But many of our founders HATED slavery, but the Elites controlled a lot even then and they were stuck, thankfully over time we got ride of it, but now its back...most all of us are debt slaves today, to the same powers of the past. style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8" That's why you state things like how they went to Church - you don't respect or recognize their ability to separate their personal religious feelings for what should bind everyone going forward. Most were bound to God, and their wasn't a way, and their still isn't today. the replacements we are offered today are infact slave systems, this would be things like Humanism, Communism, Socialism, Gaiaism etc. These of these are offered as freedom but they are not, some are offered as better then our system, but they are not. style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8" For example, with the religious instruction. That's a great example of the Founders being revolutionary and putting freedom and principles before subjective things like personal religious feelings. Do you understand that most of the fighters of our Revolution where gathered at CHURCH? And that the leaders of the troops were the pastors of the Churches? style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8" Freedom of the mind and sciences was a big part of protecting freedom. Do you understand that Science was started by Christians? And that Freedom of the mind didn't mean forgetting God? And what is this freedom of the mind you speak of? Todays claims to this are based on spiritual slavery sold in a "happy form" you or I can not remove ourselves from God's Authority. Well you can try...but you can't do it. Today we are taught we can, because today the chill'ins are being taught their gods. style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8" The one time the Founders were actually put to the test in regard to using religious instruction (the norm and standard of the day) in a tax-funded public school system, they purposefully kept religious instruction off the curriculum and disallowed visiting priests (which was commonplace, normally). Really, well show me...and then I think I can show you something. All the Schools and all the University systems of the day were Christian based. Today thats not the case, but thats how all of education in the USA started, under Christians and under God. But if you have something that says different, please show me...then I think I can show you something. style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8" They made the first tax-funded public school system in the School Act of 1817. The stated reasons for this ranged from conflict with the First Amendment to despising how religious instruction muddied the sciences. Really? Golly....but science was started by Christians, so I find your comments interesting. style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8" Thomas Jefferson, who designed this first tax-funded public school system, really despised religious instruction and Organized Religion. When he designed the first State University, professors of divinity weren't even allowed to be there. That's the School Act of 1819. These two new systems were purposefully secular and the paperwork and reasoning around them were clearly anti-religious instruction and noted the negatives and dangers of the other items I mentioned. He certainly did dislike demominations But why is Noah Webster the father of public Ed? And why did Jefferson say these things. TJ Well the father of Public Education said
Many people realize something is seriously wrong in America, but don't understand what is taking place. Fifty years ago premarital sex was considered immoral. Premarital sex is accepted today. Fifty years ago distribution of pornography was illegal. Pornography is available on the Internet today. Fifty years ago homosexuality was illegal. Homosexuality is legal today. Fifty years ago the United States was a Christian nation. America is not a Christian nation today. Fifty years ago prayer and mention of God were legal in public schools. Reference to God is prohibited in public schools today. Fifty years ago everyone knew the United States was a republic. The U.S. is a democracy today. Fifty years ago witches and mediums were considered evil. Witchcraft and mediums are accepted today. Fifty years ago there was relatively little crime in the U.S. Over two million people are incarcerated in the United States today. Fifty years ago American courts dispensed justice. The American court system is corrupt today. Fifty years ago the United States was a sovereign nation. That is no longer true. The U.S. has ceded its sovereignty to the UN and other international organizations. Why is America changing? Who is responsible for the changes? What motivates them? http://www.radioliberty.com/nljune05.html
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Rob, go look up those two School Acts to see what the Founders put into law and thought was most appropriate and wise when faced with the decision whether or not to include religious instruction, allow visiting priests, or include professors of divinity. You'll find what I said, which was, they once again were revolutionary and did something unprecedented based upon the principle of freedom instead of their religious beliefs or the beliefs of others. They said NO to it, and so that is why that first tax-funded school system was infamous for the reasons I stated. You can try to talk around that fact, that something unprecedented and revolutionary was done by them when they were put to the test in that regard, but it won't change the facts surrounding those two School Acts or Jefferson's clear position about the Bible, religious instruction, and Christianity concerning education. A million cut and pastes or other aspects besides the specific one I am talking about won't change those relevant facts, Rob.
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 Relax friends... 
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." - Plato |
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Relax? I'm not mad at all. I am just engaging Rob in a serious way. Semi-relevant cut & pastes only work on the numb. 
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24HourNut wrote:Relax? I'm not mad at all. I am just engaging Rob in a serious way. Semi-relevant cut & pastes only work on the numb.  Your the boss. Hi 24.
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." - Plato |
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24HourNut wrote: Rob, go look up those two School Acts to see what the Founders put into law and thought was most appropriate and wise when faced with the decision whether or not to include religious instruction, allow visiting priests, or include professors of divinity. You'll find what I said, which was, they once again were revolutionary and did something unprecedented based upon the principle of freedom instead of their religious beliefs or the beliefs of others. They said NO to it, and so that is why that first tax-funded school system was infamous for the reasons I stated. You can try to talk around that fact, that something unprecedented and revolutionary was done by them when they were put to the test in that regard, but it won't change the facts surrounding those two School Acts or Jefferson's clear position about the Bible, religious instruction, and Christianity concerning education. A million cut and pastes or other aspects besides the specific one I am talking about won't change those relevant facts, Rob. Ok I went and looked and it seems to be what I said. And I think your still having trouble understanding Principles of a religious foundation for freedom and mandating denominations via the state by force and control. Jefferson didn't want denominations taking over like with the Church of England...and my I remind you we still say prayers in school up until the fifties...thats not a removal of religion. Today Christianity is banned in schools but other religions are enforced, like Humanism, Socialism, Communism, Islam, Enviromentalism. All thise are opposed to Christianity....but Christianity is the only one not allowed....now why is that? well I know why. opps back in a second, my computer is locking up...have more to add to this hold on.
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I didn't say religion was removed in the Nation, I am talking just about that first system in that area. I said when put to the test to decide how a tax-funded public school system should be run, they decided to keep religious instruction off the curriculum and have no visiting priests or professors of divinity. Those two School Acts were fine examples of the Founders being revolutionary and applying principle. Conflict with the First Amendment was cited as the chief obstacle to religious instruction using tax dollars. If you look up and learn about those two Acts, you will see that what I say is true and Jefferson's position is what I said it to be.
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Robodoon Original500© Member God Fearing Patriot
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24HourNut wrote: I didn't say religion was removed in the Nation, I am talking just about that first system in that area. I said when put to the test to decide how a tax-funded public school system should be run, they decided to keep religious instruction off the curriculum and have no visiting priests or professors of divinity. Those two School Acts were fine examples of the Founders being revolutionary and applying principle. Conflict with the First Amendment was cited as the chief obstacle to religious instruction using tax dollars. If you look up and learn about those two Acts, you will see that what I say is true and Jefferson's position is what I said it to be. You have got to be the fastest typer I'm every seen. Shoot I just rebooted my computer and you already replied, wish I typed that fast. Ok my point was that its about denominations taking over. Not about rejecting God. our founder didn't want a repeat of the Church of England. So I do agree with you that limits where put on to stop one "religion" or "demomination" from dominating a schools. But God was always part of school, and like I said up untill the 50's we all prayed in school. Today Christianity is banned and other Religions are "mandated"...is that fair?...that goes against exactly what your talking about. We now have "denominations" dominating schools, its just the whole christian faith is removed. What has replaced it is the elites religious bias for deconstuction of a once Christian society...to bring us to willing servitude...and its working. And your comments about me cutting and pasting? Would you feel better if I typed it all out? The info is already there, why should I type it out. Cutting and pasting is a wonderful way to move info fast, so are my films, so are offering links and audio files. I don't cut and paste because I don't understand what I'm saying, I do it because I do and by bring that info in I'm trying to support my position with "information" It would been nice if you cut and pasted a bit about the acts you were talking about, so I didn't have to go out and google it and look through a bunch of stuff. Cutting and Pasting isn't evil ;) Noah Webster (The father of public education in America) Notice the DATE In 1832, Noah Webster published his History of the United States, in which he wrote: "The brief exposition of the constitution of the United States, will unfold to young persons the principles of republican government; and it is the sincere desire of the writer that our citizens should early understand that the genuine source of correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testament or the Christian religion. "The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles, which enjoins humility, piety, and benevolence; which acknowledges in every person a brother, or a sister, and a citizen with equal rights. This is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free Constitutions of Government. "The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all of our civil constitutions and laws....All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible. "When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers just men who will rule in the fear of God. The preservation of a republican government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty; "If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made not for the public good so much as for the selfish or local purposes; "Corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizens will be violated or disregarded. "If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws." "Corruption of morals is rapid enough in any country without a bounty from government. And...the Chief Magistrate of the United States should be the last man to accelerate its progress."
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The Founders were put to the test as to what they felt was best for tax-funded public school systems. See: School Acts of 1817 and 1819. The rest is all irrelevant to that particular point. 
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24HourNut wrote: The Founders were put to the test as to what they felt was best for tax-funded public school systems. See: School Acts of 1817 and 1819. The rest is all irrelevant to that particular point. Do you have any links, or do I have to go out looking again? Our whole form of government is based on the Fact that "GOD IS IN HEAVEN." Our whole claim to freedom is based on God is in heaven and we must obey Him, thats what our forum of self rule and liberty means. I will agree with you that our founders feared the actions of man under the banner of God.... But I do not see them removing God from the children. The whole idea was to ban man, not God. So I can agree about mandating or allowing one "sect" taking over... but not removing God from the kids, as is now.. Now I went and looked, do you have any links for me to look at? hey were are your "cut and pastes" to information? or am I numb for asking? ;)
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I'm saying if you ever say to yourself "What would the Founding Fathers do if they had to decide what would be appropriate for a tax-funded public school system?" you can go look it up by learning about the School Acts of 1817 and 1819. If you aren't interested in it, don't learn about it. I notice you like to throw in largely irrelevent general information when faced with a specific point, and that's fine. That's not how I go about debating, though.
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24HourNut wrote: I'm saying if you ever say to yourself "What would the Founding Fathers do if they had to decide what would be appropriate for a tax-funded public school system?" you can go look it up by learning about the School Acts of 1817 and 1819. If you aren't interested in it, don't learn about it. I notice you like to throw in largely irrelevent general information when faced with a specific point, and that's fine. That's not how I go about debating, though. And I'm saying I have been looking and am finding I'm correct...so I ask you..do you have any links...and nothing comes back. Why is that? You said you would show me, but you have not...so I'm asking again...show me. ;) Is that alright. You may think I'm irrelevent info but I'm not, I'm stating the picture is bigger then you are allowing. so...links please
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