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24HourForums.com > Supported Forums > Robodoon's New World Order Zone > Ten Commandments 'cover-up' revealed at Supreme Court |
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Ten Commandments 'cover-up' revealed at Supreme Court Evidence of Christian heritage suppressed by building managers Posted: February 13, 2007 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com The stone tablet on the U.S. Supreme Court's East Frieze until 1975 was described as representing the "Ten Commandments." Since then it's been changed to the "Ten Amendments" based on an unsigned letter that conflicts with other evidence It's looking a lot like a cover-up at the U.S. Supreme Court, where officials appear to be suppressing evidence of representations of the nation's Christian heritage at the court building, according to a pastor whose research is published at lacconline.org and gives evidence of that heritage. "I'm not a conspirator," Todd DuBord, senior pastor of the Lake Almanor Community Church, wrote in a new request to the high court to correct its information. "I must admit, however, that my recent research on the U.S. Supreme Court is making me think that cover-up might be more than make-up." (Story continues below) He's been advocating for corrections to the court's online and tourist information since he traveled to Washington, D.C., on a tour looking at the Christian heritage of the United States. While there, some of the tour guides at the court building told him the East Wall Frieze stone tablet representation stands for the Ten Amendments, not the Ten Commandments as he had thought. But his weeks of research, documented on the church's website, have revealed that the weight of evidence provided by the government rests much more heavily on the interpretation that the tablet stands for the Ten Commandments, even though Supreme Court information officials deny that. WND earlier reported on his documentation of the other representations of the Ten Commandments in the Supreme Court Building, the importance society at that time placed on the laws of Moses and the general recognition during that era by courts of the Ten Commandments as the basis for much of the U.S. law. However, DuBord said he never got a response to his request, which was mailed and faxed to Court Information Officer Kathy Arberg, that the Supreme Court reconsider, and so he's documented additional evidence that he believes should convince officials of the validity of his request for the change. Specifically, he spent weeks researching the "support" for the current interpretation by court officials that the East Wall Frieze stone tablet is the ten amendments. The court's interpretation rests on an unsigned letter purportedly from Adolph A. Weinman, the sculptor, to the architect of the building, Cass Gilbert. This is part of the Supreme Court's version of the letter purportedly calling the East Frieze stone tablet the ten 'amendments.' It apparently is a re-typing of the original two-page letter at the Smithsonian Official Supreme Court documentation now states: "According to a letter from Weinman to Gilbert describing the design for this frieze, the pylon carved with the Roman numerals I to X between the two central figures symbolizes the first ten amendments to the Constitution, also known as the Bill of Rights." Continued ... LINK Comments: This is another wonderful example of the effort to destroy Christianity and its heritage in the USA. This process of removing Christian heritage is being seen around the nation and taught in our public schools...and why you ask? "The idea of God is the keynote of a perverted civilization. It must be destroyed." Karl Marx Evil hates God and the freedom He allowed in this land. The Globalists and their children the communists, started long ago to diminish the ideas of our founding fathers, remove God from our lives and leave us with out the tools we used to claim Liberty under God. Last edited on 07:52 pm by Robodoon  "...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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Yet, it wasn't until Organized Religion was put on an unprecedented Leash by the Founders did we have American freedom, which followed the historical breaking away via the Enlightenment. The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses. -- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" (1787-88), from Adrienne Koch, ed., The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society (1965) p. 258, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner, "Quotations that Support the Separation of State and Church" Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind. -- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" (1787-88), from Adrienne Koch, ed., The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society (1965) p. 258, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner, "Quotations that Support the Separation of State and Church" As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed? -- John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816 Indeed, Mr. Jefferson, what could be invented to debase the ancient Christianism which Greeks, Romans, Hebrews and Christian factions, above all the Catholics, have not fraudulently imposed upon the public? Miracles after miracles have rolled down in torrents. -- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, December 3, 1813, quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief Cabalistic Christianity, which is Catholic Christianity, and which has prevailed for 1,500 years, has received a mortal wound, of which the monster must finally die. Yet so strong is his constitution, that he may endure for centuries before he expires. -- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, July 16, 1814, from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! -- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, from George Seldes, The Great Quotations, also from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning.... And, even since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes. -- John Adams, letter to John Taylor, 1814, quoted in Norman Cousins, In God We Trust: The Religious Beliefs and Ideas of the American Founding Fathers (1958), p. 108, quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there never will be any liberal science in the world. -- John Adams, "this awful blashpemy" that he refers to is the myth of the Incarnation of Christ, from Ira D Cardiff, What Great Men Think of Religion, quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief That's just Adams, the chief of the Constitution. I can provide plenty similar on the other main Founder - Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence and so much more.
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Robodoon wrote:
Can I add to this? Suppressed by scientists, public schools, attorneys, doctors, ACLU, and everyone and everything that is tired of the nudging of God's HolY Spirit in the world pointing people to Him. The world will ALWAYS suppress and reject God. 
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." - Plato |
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Robodoon Original500© Member God Fearing Patriot
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24HourNut wrote: Yet, it wasn't until Organized Religion was put on an unprecedented Leash by the Founders did we have American freedom, which followed the historical breaking away via the Enlightenment. Yes orgainized religion from the Fed wasn't what our founders wanted, they didn't want a repeat of the Church of England, but the USA was created by Christians so they could worship God as they saw fit. Do you understand the difference between a nation based on Biblical principes and a Church run nation? I think your having trouble with that idea. The ideas behind our founders creation was not to deny God, but deny man. And their is no seperation of Church and state in the constitution, what Jefferson ment by his letter to danbury baptists was, that the government could not come in an mandate religion as with what happened in England. Jefferson's "separation of church & state letter written to the Baptists in Danbury, Connecticut on January 1, 1802
Again, the idea was never to deny God, he is the bases for our claim to Liberty, the idea was to deny man control over others and hiding behind God as the reason for it. George Washington "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." "It is impossible to account for the creation of the universe, without the agency of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to govern the universe without the aid of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to reason without arriving at a Supreme Being." Do you understand the difference?
"...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Robodoon wrote: The trend of history shows that true.
"...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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The Founder's criticism of Organized Religion went well beyond just the dangers of it being too close to Government. There is PLENTY of material by them talking about the foe to freedom it is, across the board, when people take it past private. They even specifically criticize it for promoting superstition, muddying the sciences, enslaving the mind, and hurting progress in a general sense.
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24HourNut wrote: The Founder's criticism of Organized Religion went well beyond just the dangers of it being too close to Government. There is PLENTY of material by them talking about the foe to freedom it is, across the board, when people take it past private. They even specifically criticize it for promoting myths, muddying the sciences, and hurting progress in a general sense. They are talking about "Denominations" They are talking about the "Traditions of men" which is warned about in the Bible as taking over as" truth". This is the case with the Church of England and Rome. God is the reason, and more so Jesus Christ for our claim to "Liberty" ie Self rule under God. Why are the ten Commandments posted in the SCOTUS? Why in court do we swear on a Bible Why does every meeting of Congress start with "PRAYER" Why was the Bible the book of Choice in the Schools untill a little while ago? Why do our officials swear an OATH TO GOD via their oath of office. And take this further? Why is it wrong to Murder? Where did our founders gain this idea? Why is it wrong to steal? Where did our founders gain this idea? why is it wrong to lie? where did our founders gain this idea? From the Bible. You are stained with Christianity growing up in the USA, as the Christian base is destroyed the next generation will not think like you. They will find it ok to murder, they will find it ok to lie, they will find it ok to steal (much of that is happening now) and do find it ok to attack parents now. You grew up in a world that is changing, and as it changes what you find horrible, will be seen as normal. We are moving away from the time of the hope for the idividual being free and towards "Society think" ie Communism. God isn't part of communism, communism is the antitheisis toward God's ways. “…under Socialism you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not the character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possible be executed in a kindly manner…” The Intelligent Woman’s guide to Socialism and Capitalism 1928 Fabian Socialist George Bernard Shaw Last edited on 12:09 am by Robodoon "...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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They are talking about "Denominations" They are talking about the "Traditions of men" which is warned about in the Bible as taking over as" truth". No, they go way past that. If you would like some examples from key Founders I would be glad to provide them. They criticize Organized Religion, the Church, the whole business on the levels I described. I can provide examples from how they purposefully kept religious instruction out of the first public tax-funded school system to the inherent anti-freedom evil of Organized Religion, if you wish.
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24HourNut wrote: They are talking about "Denominations" They are talking about the "Traditions of men" which is warned about in the Bible as taking over as" truth". I protest orgainized Religion as well as a means of control as well, just like the founding fathers of the USA. Why are we different in our thoughts?
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Hi - I guess I found it "funny" that you said "Evil hates God and the freedom He allowed in this land" when it wasn't until humans got Enlightened and started putting the Church on a Leash did we experience real freedom and end slavery. The Church stood by for 18 centuries supporting tyrants, oppressors, and slave-owners. Churches issued slave tags and owned slaves. It wasn't until 18 centuries later when the Enlightenment was here and others started working to end slavery did the Church finally get on board. In other words, you said "freedom" yet even the Founders saw Organized Religion, priests, their superstitions, dogma, and inherently anti-science nature as a foe to freedom. You also said "They are talking about "Denominations" They are talking about the "Traditions of men" and I was explaining it was by no means limited to just that. The Bible, Christianity, and all Organized Religions are, inherently, foes to freedom, religious freedom, and freedom of the mind. If you would like to see how the Founders felt that way I will be glad to show you.
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24HourNut wrote: Hi - I guess I found it "funny" that you said "Evil hates God and the freedom He allowed in this land" when it wasn't until humans got Enlightened and started putting the Church on a Leash did we experience real freedom and end slavery. The Church stood by for 18 centuries supporting tyrants, oppressors, and slave-owners. Churches issued slave tags and owned slaves. It wasn't until 18 centuries later when the Enlightenment was here and others started working to end slavery did the Church finally get on board. In other words, you said "freedom" yet even the Founders saw Organized Religion, priests, their superstitions, dogma, and inherently anti-science nature as a foe to freedom. You also said "They are talking about "Denominations" They are talking about the "Traditions of men" and I was explaining it was by no means limited to just that. The Church is Demominations or traditions of men. And there are Churches in Christianity. I don't think you understand the difference. Christianity isn't the Churches. And what "enlightenment" are you talking about? Certainly not the French form of "enlightenment" because its the opposite of the colonies great awakening. The American revolution and the french revolution were opposites, some of our founders didn't understand that at the time, some thought that the french had done what we had done, but they didn't. The American revolution was to bring about government under God, the French was to bring government without God. Again, our founders didn't want organized religion taking over gov, but they never thought to leave God out of Government.
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. the whole purpose of our government was to protect our rights from God. And in the Con Thats Jesus Christ. And they all signed it. I just don't think your understanding the difference between Church run State and a nation built on Biblical Standards as a foundation. Are you telling me our founders were seeking a secular nation like FRANCE? John Adams June 21, 1776 "The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure, than they have it now, they may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty." July 1, 1776 John Adams "Religion and virtue are the only foundations, not only of all free government, but of social felicity under all governments and in all the combinations of human society." June 28, 1813
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government ofany other." Samuel Chase
James Madison (Architect of the U.S. Constitution & Co-Author of the Federalist Papers) From his notes "Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ." "Religion [is] the basis and Foundation of Government."
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." Daniel Webster "If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may ovenvhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity." "Finally, let us not forget the religious character of our origin. Our fathers were brought hither by their high veneration for the Christian religion. They journeyed by its light, and labored in its hope. They sought to incorporate its principles with the elements of their society, and to diffuse its influence through all their institutions, civil, political, or literary.
George Washington "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." "The thing that separates the American Christian from every other person on earth is the fact that he would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees!"
"...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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