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Robodoon Original500© Member God Fearing Patriot
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cynicalninja wrote: Robodoon wrote:cynicalninja wrote:Robodoon wrote:Steel buildings don't just fall down when they catch fire....its never happend before or since. Yes they were.... is that amazing to you.? Do you read anything I post? The frinking people who Certifed the towars are saying its impossible. This man was fired right after he wrote this letter. "I don't understand, we took this into account"....your fired..shut up. WTC Construction Certifiers Say Towers Should Have Easily Withstood Jet Fuel Temperatures Kevin Ryan/Underwriters Laboratories | November 12 2004 The following letter was sent today by Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Underwriters Laboratories is the company that certified the steel componets used in the constuction of the World Trade Center towers. The information in this letter is of great importance. Dr. Gayle, Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the need to contact you directly. As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year. I'm aware of UL's attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel. There continues to be a number of "experts" making public claims about how the WTC buildings fell. One such person, Dr. Hyman Brown from the WTC construction crew, claims that the buildings collapsed due to fires at 2000F melting the steel (1). He states "What caused the building to collapse is the airplane fuel…burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The steel in that five-floor area melts." Additionally, the newspaper that quotes him says "Just-released preliminary findings from a National Institute of Standards and Technology study of the World Trade Center collapse support Brown’s theory." We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all. The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the Associated Press (4), in which you were ready to "rule out weak steel as a contributing factor in the collapse." The evaluation of paint deformation and spheroidization seem very straightforward, and you noted that the samples available were adequate for the investigation. Your comments suggest that the steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500F (250C), which is what one might expect from a thermodynamic analysis of the situation. However the summary of the new NIST report seems to ignore your findings, as it suggests that these low temperatures caused exposed bits of the building’s steel core to "soften and buckle." (5) Additionally this summary states that the perimeter columns softened, yet your findings make clear that "most perimeter panels (157 of 160) saw no temperature above 250C." To soften steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be above1100C (6). However, this new summary report suggests that much lower temperatures were be able to not only soften the steel in a matter of minutes, but lead to rapid structural collapse. This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I’m sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the contention that this steel did fail at temperatures around 250C suggests that the majority of deaths on 9/11 were due to a safety-related failure. That suggestion should be of great concern to my company. There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the emotional driving force behind the War on Terror. And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux of the story of 9/11. My feeling is that your metallurgical tests are at the crux of the crux of the crux. Either you can make sense of what really happened to those buildings, and communicate this quickly, or we all face the same destruction and despair that come from global decisions based on disinformation and “chatter”. Thanks for your efforts to determine what happened on that day. You may know that there are a number of other current and former government employees that have risked a great deal to help us to know the truth. I've copied one of these people on this message as a sign of respect and support. I believe your work could also be a nucleus of fact around which the truth, and thereby global peace and justice, can grow again. Please do what you can to quickly eliminate the confusion regarding the ability of jet fuel fires to soften or melt structural steel. 1. http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/102104/coverstory.html 2. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 61st edition, pg D-187 3. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/P3MechanicalandMetAnalysisofSteel.pdf 4. http://www.voicesofsept11.org/archive/911ic/082703.php 5. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACWTCStatusFINAL101904WEB2.pdf (pg 11) 6. http://www.forging.org/FIERF/pdf/ffaaMacSleyne.pdf Kevin Ryan Site Manager Environmental Health Laboratories A Division of Underwriters Laboratories
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Robodoon Original500© Member God Fearing Patriot
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Posted: 01:07 am |
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24HourNut wrote: newbiecollector wrote:More conspiracy things And do your realize that "conspiracies" are real crimes....they are different then "Conspiracy Theories". One is a charge to real crime, the other is an idea about a possible crime. Sorry, just thought I should throw that in. ;)
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Robodoon Original500© Member God Fearing Patriot
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Posted: 01:10 am |
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newbiecollector wrote: cynicalninja wrote:24HourNut wrote:newbiecollector wrote:More conspiracy things Wake up and understand you live in the "WORLD" do you have any concept of that in your socialist utopia that is not? And don't get pissed at me, my blood is the same are yours...I'm just awake...while you just pay the bills. Work is Freedom...right? So sad...I must say. The damage I could do to your understanding of the world if we met is beyond your understanding. But it would be fun...then you would be on the right side instead of being a good german.
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Posted: 01:11 am |
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Robodoon wrote: 24HourNut wrote:newbiecollector wrote:More conspiracy things Good point, thank you. I often forget that.
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Robodoon Original500© Member God Fearing Patriot
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Posted: 01:16 am |
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24HourNut wrote: Robodoon wrote:24HourNut wrote:newbiecollector wrote:More conspiracy things No, thank you
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Robodoon Original500© Member God Fearing Patriot
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Posted: 08:56 pm |
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Rosie Reinforces 9/11 Position With Blog on Gulf of Tonkin Aaron Dykes / Jones Report | March 27, 2007 ![]() The 1964 'imaginary' Gulf of Tonkin incident allowed President Johnson to expand the Vietnam War through the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution without a Congressional Declaration of War. Actress Rosie O'Donnell's public statements on 9/11-- already carefully laid out on the solid ground of WTC 7's clear controlled demolition in her blog -- is now further backed up by an historical account of the Gulf of Tonkin as an "imaginary" event on her blog. President Johnson used the 1964 staged event to expand dramatically the scale of the Vietnam War by ushering in the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution , as well as to rope in much needed domestic support with the Congress and public. Not only does the Tonkin Incident provide precedent for the U.S. Government's staging events as a pretext for military action, it gives clues to painful emotive questions that many exposed to 9/11 Truth for the first time by Rosie may be asking-- Has anything like this ever happened before? How could our government be involved in something like this? In her previous comments on WTC 7's collapse, O'Donnell concluded her heavily cited statements with supportive words for 9/11 Truth newbies: lets start here Citing Tonkin also gives rebuttal to skeptical and defiant critics of O'Donnell's stance on 9/11-- there is a history of provocation, a history of deceptive "attacks" on the U.S. as pretext for war and a history of slow, stagnant answers and cover-up regarding those events-- how 'crazy', then, are questions about 9/11 in light of history? Here is Rosie's blog entry from March 26 :
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident began with an “imaginary” attack by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats on the Maddox, a U.S. destroyer, in the Gulf of Tonkin on 2 August 1964. Two days later, that vessel and another U.S. destroyer in the area both reported themselves under renewed attack, although North Vietnam subsequently insisted that it hadn't attacked — and no attack is now believed to have occurred on the 4th of August. Within hours, Johnson ordered retaliatory air strikes on the bases of the North Vietnamese boats and announced, in a television address to the American public the same evening, that U.S. naval forces had been attacked. In a message he sent to Congress the following day, the President affirmed that “the North Vietnamese regime had conducted further deliberate attacks against U.S. naval vessels operating in international waters.” Johnson requested approval of a resolution “expressing the unity and determination of the United States in supporting freedom and in protecting peace in southeast Asia”. He said that the resolution should express support “for all necessary action to protect our Armed Forces” — but repeated previous assurances that “the United States… seeks no wider war”. As the nation entered the final three months of political campaigning for the 1964 elections (in which Johnson was standing for election), the president contended that the resolution would help “hostile nations… understand” that the United States was unified in its determination “to continue to protect its national interests.”[2] Tonkin was only one of several false-flag events discussed in Alex Jones' Terrorstorm which also covers Hitler's Reichstag fire , the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty , the 1953 U.S.-backed Iranian coup and Operation Himmler (in which a Polish 'invasion' on Germany was staged to start WWII)-- all government sponsored false-flag provocations. This list-- comprised of only some of the 20th century's declassified examples-- is in no way exhaustive. As the twisted neo-con Paul Wolfowitz put it only months before the attacks on 9/11 : "Military history is full of surprises, even if few are as dramatic or memorable as Pearl Harbor. Surprises happen so often, that is is surprising that we're still surprised by it ." O'Donnell has been careful to put forward only the most solid information in her public 9/11 statements, as she knows the mainstream media would be quick to slander her on any weak points.
The combination of O'Donnell going public on 9/11 and a report that Charlie Sheen will voice a theatrical version of Loose Change has made for an explosion in coverage and critique of the 9/11 Truth Movement in mainstream press, particularly with FOX News hosts Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity . However, coverage of O'Donnell has stayed clear-- as usual-- of debating any real facts regarding 9/11, but has focused on typical character assassinations. Furthermore, coverage of Sheen's reported association with Loose Change has all but obscured Rosie's recent input into the 9/11 debate-- aside from misreporting that she is involved with the project. Clearly, the establishment's 9/11 Official Story is in huge trouble if O'Donnell's going public has half the ripple effect that Sheen's going public had just over one year ago. RELATED: 12/2/2005 New York Times: Vietnam War Intelligence 'Deliberately Skewed,' Secret Study Says [Also: Direct link to New York Times Article -- Registration Required ] 30-Year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War 3/11/2002: Do Freedom of Information Act File Prove FDR Had Foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor? O'Donnell Comments Garner No Media Coverage New York Hit Piece on Sheen & O'Donnell
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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The Gulf of Tonkin incident was highly dubious and suspicious as a call to arms for the Vietnam war. I think the recent capture of British sailors by Iran could be the pre-cursor to an "excuse" for military action against Iran. I think they "may" have been sent in as agent provocateurs to prompt a response to facilitate US and British action against Iran.....maybe.
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