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Or... "is there compassion without God?"

 

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I think it goes without saying that whether you believe in 'God' in the traditional sense, there is a spark of the divine in all of us.

Humans are all equipped with the ability to be compassionate, we all put ourselves in the situation of the ones we feel compassion for. We are able to empathise, after all, we all gothrough certain situations in life, and the ability to relate and advise is one of the great things about the human race.

I guess if you're the religious type, then you'd say god instilled this in us. Personally, I'd say we developed this to help each other along, or it was just there in the first place.

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I don't believe there is compassion without God. However, too much compassion, like too much tolerance, is a sin. Our Father expects us to draw a line with His help at where this line should be, its shifts, and gray areas.

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I don't think compassion and empathy have anything to do with god as such.

I think genuine help is more useful to those in need than pity though.   

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I think that compassion is inbreed.  "Instinct" if you will!  Most people are born with compassion in them.  THAT, would be from God.  What we do with it, has to do with our choices...........................

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Pinky wrote: I think it goes without saying that whether you believe in 'God' in the traditional sense, there is a spark of the divine in all of us.
Ok what divine are you talking about?...if you remove God there is no divine.

 And if we are divine we make up the rules...because via your own words we are the truth...or what ever we say.

Do you get what I'm saying?

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Humans are all equipped with the ability to be compassionate, we all put ourselves in the situation of the ones we feel compassion for. We are able to empathise, after all, we all gothrough certain situations in life, and the ability to relate and advise is one of the great things about the human race.Thats because we are made in the Image of God...but we are not God. We are refections of our Creator...but we are not our Creator. To claim this divine is to claim the status of the Creator instead of being under Him...as His Creation.

I guess if you're the religious type, then you'd say god instilled this in us. Personally, I'd say we developed this to help each other along, or it was just there in the first place.What are we helping?




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moguitar wrote: I don't believe there is compassion without God. However, too much compassion, like too much tolerance, is a sin. Our Father expects us to draw a line with His help at where this line should be, its shifts, and gray areas.

We agree on the first part. The next part is confused in the definitions of time.

On the last one I agree, but then a bit of disagreement....but perhaps not...more explaination is needed for me to get the drift of your last statement.




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cynicalninja wrote: I don't think compassion and empathy have anything to do with god as such.

I think genuine help is more useful to those in need than pity though.   


Ok...let me ask you it this way. "Why should anyone help anyone but themselves"?

 




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foxglovepress wrote: I think that compassion is inbreed.  "Instinct" if you will!  Most people are born with compassion in them.  THAT, would be from God.  What we do with it, has to do with our choices...........................
Agreed.




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foxglovepress wrote: I think that compassion is inbreed.  "Instinct" if you will!  Most people are born with compassion in them.  THAT, would be from God.  What we do with it, has to do with our choices...........................
I agree fox. Part of the original DNA makeup order.




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Robodoon wrote: cynicalninja wrote: I don't think compassion and empathy have anything to do with god as such.

I think genuine help is more useful to those in need than pity though.   


Ok...let me ask you it this way. "Why should anyone help anyone but themselves"?

 


All I said was I don't think compassion or empathy has anything to do with god, your question was based on a fundamental biase that compassion can somehow not exist without god. I reject that. It is natural human instinct for continuing our species  to have compassion for beings of the same species. For your own sake and the natural instinct for the continuation of that species.

That may sound a little overly simplified and unromantic but there it is.

I believe in love, I am in love, I feel I am loved but I refuse to join that up with any kind of religious fervour of any kind to explain it.    


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Robodoon wrote: moguitar wrote: I don't believe there is compassion without God. However, too much compassion, like too much tolerance, is a sin. Our Father expects us to draw a line with His help at where this line should be, its shifts, and gray areas.

We agree on the first part. The next part is confused in the definitions of time.Nothing about time in it.  A statement of fact that too much compassion and tolerance is a sin.

On the last one I agree, but then a bit of disagreement....but perhaps not...more explaination is needed for me to get the drift of your last statement.
The biggest example of my last statement is that we can afford to be more compassionate when we are doing well and the numbers are not too big.  We can afford to be more tolerant when the things we are being tolerant of are not too different, or destructive to us.   The lines have edges that are the "gray areas", and the "shifts" occur with different numbers and conditions.  
Many are compassionate and tolerant of others who would kill them at first opportunity, or rob them blind, or starve them.   This is sinful over-compassion and over-tolerance.
Many are tolerant of the crowd that will eventually starve themselves, or kill themselves with their own waste products and pollution.  This is sinful, even if inbred, over-tolerance.
Tolerating the erosion of our freedoms and rights is sinful over-tolerance.
Having compassion for all of humanity is sinful over-compassion.  That is complete ignorance of the various evils of communism, socialism, and religious cults.  It is ignorance of God's gift of this planet, and His Laws of Nature.


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