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MrParanormal Original500© Member  A soft answer turns anger away
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Did anyone besides me watch Decoding Stonehenge lastnight?
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I didn't, but wish I had! I saw a show on that long ago and it was pretty interesting. Did you dig the show? Any big secrets revealed?
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MrParanormal Original500© Member A soft answer turns anger away
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The man actually found civilations that thrived at the time Stonehenge was built, he believes built Stonehenge went to great lenghth o present his theory of how these ancient builders quarried 40 ton blocks from 25 miles away and how they uprighted the stones but said nothing about how the top stones were raised. I wasa watching the show thinking what optios do we have to believe Ancient moved 40 to blocks 25 miles and uprighted them as well as raised some high to put on top or extraterrestrials either helped ancient man or built Stoehenge themselves. Which option sounds stranger? For me the jury is still out. He seems sure Stonhenge and its wooden twin several miles away are part of a huge religious preject for rituals involveing life and death the after life sort of thing.
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If you have a lot of slaves you can accomplish a lot, I am thinking. Pullies, wheels, whatever. Similar to the pyramid building perhaps.
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MrParanormal Original500© Member A soft answer turns anger away
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I certinly would not say they could not have, I myself am way creative and hell bent and bound when I want to accomplish something to believe for a moment they could not have . but 40 thousand pounds for 25 miles per stone 30 plus stones wow. Thats very phenomenal, I can't help but think information is missing not nessacarily extraterrestrial or atlantean intervention, but I can't help but think the ancients knew something that made the task much less tedious. actually the more I think about it if they had fashioned sturdy stone wheels to a platform much like our four wheel dolly today only on a bigger stronger scaleand used a combination of enough ropes and pullies and oxen I can see how the task could become much less tedious. but still the stones that site across the top the upright stoes lifting those had to be a real trick.no trees around to attach a pulley to unless they attached the pullies to the already upright stones I can think of one way they might have but it would have been very time consuming, but perhaps useing a clever combination of levers pullies and wedges they might have.
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I think we simply don't have enough information to figure out how Stonehenge was built. Personally, I think the alien explanation is very unlikely, though. The problem I have with it is three-fold: 1) Why should the aliens help ancient man? It's hardly a relationship among equals. It's like a 40-year old man playing blocks with a 6-month old. That doesn't mean they couldn't help, obviously, but it would certainly be strange if they did. 2) There's no evidence of communication. If ancient Britons did talk to aliens, how did they do it, and why aren't there any records of it? 3) With the help of beings that had mastered FTL travel, you'd think that the ancients could come up with a more impressive structure. Stonehenge is impressive to us because it was built by ancient man, who we presume didn't have the technology even of the Romans. If Stonehenge was built by people hundreds or thousands of years a head of us, then it really should be more impressive.
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MrParanormal Original500© Member A soft answer turns anger away
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Hi Brian always good to see your post here.I really must say ths is the first I thought of that aspect and being a father of 3 I can definatly relate. On this one I would like to point out that there is records of extraterrestrial intervention in myths and scriptres the world over in many places they were called start people or watchers o gods not to mention cave paintings but who's to say even if ancient man had contact with extraterrestrial that they recived help from them building stonehenge? 3) With the help of beings that had mastered FTL travel, you'd think that the ancients could come up with a more impressive structure. Stonehenge is impressive to us because it was built by ancient man, who we presume didn't have the technology even of the Romans. If Stonehenge was built by people hundreds or thousands of years a head of us, then it really should be more impressive. This is a excellent point I would admit that The Giza Pyramid was more likely built with extraterrestrial intervention than StoneHenge especially given the much more massive size of the stones and the fact that the quarry if I undestand correctly was 4 times further away. in the end you are right that we need more information to make an accurate estimation. Do you hve any theories how the ancients moved the stone and raised it for Stongehenge?
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MrParanormal wrote: Hi Brian always good to see your post here. There really isn't evidence of extraterrestrial communication. There are myths and legends about contacts with beings, but these beings were thought to be gods, not aliens. Cooperatively building Stonehenge with aliens would've required actual communication. That's what we don't have evidence of MrParanormal wrote: 3) With the help of beings that had mastered FTL travel, you'd think that the ancients could come up with a more impressive structure. Stonehenge is impressive to us because it was built by ancient man, who we presume didn't have the technology even of the Romans. If Stonehenge was built by people hundreds or thousands of years a head of us, then it really should be more impressive. Even the Giza Pyramid would be unimpressive, in alien terms. To really be evidence of alien intervention in my eyes, it would have to be something we couldn't do, not just something we don't think the ancients could do. Again, that's not to say the aliens couldn't have done it, but it would be such a small task that one would have to ask, "Why/?" MrParanormal wrote: in the end you are right that we need more information to make an accurate estimation. I kind of think you and Frank are on the right track: pullies, wedges, and ropes. They could've even built an outer mound around Stonehenge and laid the stones in place that way. It's a lot easier to pull/push a stone up a slope into place than it is to lift it straight up.
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MrParanormal Original500© Member A soft answer turns anger away
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Bian wrote I can see our difference of opinion here we are in different camps, I'm in the camp that believes the Gods were extrateresstrials. Brian wrote Even the Giza Pyramid would be unimpressive, in alien terms. To really be evidence of alien intervention in my eyes, it would have to be something we couldn't do, not just something we don't think the ancients could do. Again, that's not to say the aliens couldn't have done it, but it would be such a small task that one would have to ask, "Why/?" This is something I have trouble phathoming how you arrive at the conclusion that ancient man could have built The Giza Pyramid, giving we are talking about stones that make the stones at Stonehenge seem pocket size in comparison over a distanse 75 miles more than they had to transport The Stonehenge rocks, I was given to understand they had to trandport the blocks from the quary a hundred miles away and give the hight of the pyramid that reatly dwarfs Stonehenge, to my knowledge we today with our advanced technology can no duplicate this pyramid
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MrParanormal wrote: Bian wrote The ancient Egyptians had wheels, levers, pulleys, and probably most important, the Nile. They didn't have to drag large blocks for miles. As far as what we could do: We accomplish engineering tasks much more difficult than the mere lifting of large objects. The World Trade Center stood ~ 1368 feet high. The Great Pyramid was less than 1/4 that size, meaning that we can lift heavy objects much higher now (with heavy cranes, etc). And we have massive tankers and flat trucks designed to move spectacularly heavy objects (whole houses, in fact). Here's an example of the kind of thing we can move:  Don't get me wrong: I'm very impressed that the ancient Egyptians could move and lift those heavy blocks. It's a testament to their skill at engineering. But if a society much more advanced than ours did it, it would be a lot less impressive, because you'd expect them to be able to do it. (Now, if they did it with teleportation, for example, that would be a different thing altogether.)
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Brian wrote I have alot of trouble comparing The Giza Pyramid to The World Trade Center due to the fact The World Trade Center was made of metal brick and glass and The Giza Pyramid was made of huge stones (The average size of a pyramid stone = (5 x 8 x 12) Easy to see were moving and stacking bricks is much easier than huge stones. Granted a train car might transport a stone that size today but place it or stack it thats quite another story. I'm not sure if the seafaring vessels of the time was able to handle this kind of size or weight so I won't touch that but at anyrate even if ancient man could move stones of that size over large distances. it would still seem an impossibility to get a stone that size 482 feet high even with todays technology and place it and line it up. I know you can do that with bricks many times higher. but can you name a technology that could raise align and place a stone (5 x 8 x 12) 482 feet high today with extreme accuracy? Brian wrote Don't get me wrong: I'm very impressed that the ancient Egyptians could move and lift those heavy blocks. It's a testament to their skill at engineering. But if a society much more advanced than ours did it, it would be a lot less impressive, because you'd expect them to be able to do it. (Now, if they did it with teleportation, for example, that would be a different thing altogether.)I can see you point here but I wasn't aware we were discussing what it would take for extraterrestrial intervention to impress us lol, By the way I don't know if your familiar with it or not but in Florida there is a placed called Coral Castle were the owner used blocks simular in size to those used at Stonehenge and built the castle himself the amazing part is the man only weighed 98 pounds himself. He claimed he was able to do it because he knew the secrets the Egyptians used on the pyramid. Its also reported he was seen levitating these stones , it was also said he only used the hand tools of the time no crane or any thing else like it and in addition after he built it he later moved it 25 miles away
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