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Britt Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Learning Contentment
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 Are eldest children smarter? According to recent research, eldest siblings have slightly higher I.Q. scores, "an average of three points over the closest sibling." The study concluded that psychological factors, not biological factors, are responsible for the difference. Traditionally, oldest children fulfill a role of responsibility within a family and are expected to achieve.What do you think? Where do you fall in your family's birth order? June 25, 2007 Study on I.Q. Prompts Debate on Family Dynamics By BENEDICT CAREY The new evidence that eldest children develop higher I.Q.’s than their siblings has intensified the debate over two of the most stubborn questions in social science: What are the family dynamics that enhance intelligence? And can they — and should they — be changed? The new findings, from a landmark study published Friday, showed that eldest children had a slight but significant edge in I.Q. — an average of three points over the closest sibling. And it found that the difference was not because of biological factors but the psychological interplay of parents and children. Predictably, the study set off a swarm of Internet commentary from parents, social scientists and others, speculating about what in families could enrich one child’s intellectual environment more than others’. “Anyone with siblings wonders about this,” said Sue Monaco, 51, of Delaware, who has two sons and five siblings. She was one of about 150 readers who posted questions on Friday to a New York Times Web forum about the study. Researchers acknowledge that few of the family variables affecting intelligence are well understood, and some argue that peer influences are eventually more significant. But studies suggest that two elements are important during childhood: the perceived role a child has in the family; and the apparent benefit a child receives when he or she tutors someone else, like a younger sibling. Well before entering the high school hothouse of geeks and jocks, children who grow up with siblings get tagged with labels: The screw-up of the family. The airhead, the klutz, the whiner. And then there is the serious one, little Mr. or Ms. Responsible, who most often is the eldest, psychologists have found. “In our family we had the straight one, the oldest, followed by the one who snuck out,” said Elisabeth Ferris, 55, a former teacher who lives near Baltimore. “I was the one who snuck out, who had a lot more fun in high school, and who went to art school.” Studies suggest that other family members tend to consider the eldest the most conscientious of the siblings, more likely to achieve academically. At least for some firstborns, that role may be self-fulfilling. “I don’t know about our I.Q.’s but, yes, she was the more studious one,” Ms. Ferris said of her older sister. Psychologists say that filling the role of the responsible firstborn, while important to academic achievement, still does not account for eldest children’s higher average scores on intelligence tests. Robert Zajonc, a psychologist at Stanford University, has argued that in fact having a younger sibling or two diminishes the overall intellectual environment for eldest children — who otherwise would be benefiting from the rich vocabulary and undivided attention of parents. Read THE REST OF THE STORY at the New York Times.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Britt wrote:
Well it would be nice if it's true.......I'm the oldest between my brother and I! 
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Britt Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Learning Contentment
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foxglovepress wrote: Well it would be nice if it's true.......I'm the oldest between my brother and I! Interestingly, some social scientists regard two older siblings of opposite sex as eldest children. For example, I am the eldest in my family and my brother is 11 months younger than me. According to some social scientists (an oxymoron, if you ask me - "social science?" Is it a science? No. But I digress...), he and I are both considered eldest children as we are a female and a male. But it gets worse! These same "scientists" argue that a sibling six or more years younger than his or her eldest siblings is considered an eldest child as they represent an entirely different generation. If that is true, two of my siblings are eldest children, I am an eldest child, and only my baby sister is a true youngest child. Indeed, she is the charmed one and can do no wrong! My brain hurts. As usual. 
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I am the oldest and VERY intelligent. <<curtsies>>
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Britt wrote: foxglovepress wrote:Well it would be nice if it's true.......I'm the oldest between my brother and I! Well that sucks! I always tell him he may be the pilot, but I have the brains in the family............................you mean we're "EQUAL? 
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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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This one is odd. My sister has a higher IQ than I do, but I have more street smarts than her. She is more intelligent in one way, I am more intelligent in another. I never had much patience for determining a person's intelligence strictly by the IQ points they have. It only indicates what you are capable of learning, not what you know. But going strictly by this article, the older child does have the higher IQ in my family. Also odd....that doesn't apply to my father and aunts.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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Luvdawgs Pioneer100© Member 
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There's only my brother and me, and he's older. 
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Playing to a different drummer
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Britt wrote:
I think so. 
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I have not read everything said here but I notice that my daughter (4) talks for my son (19 mo.) And is more articulate in her speech. I think the boy becomes "lazy" in his speech pattern "flwr,bk,dugggg,trk" I try to talk to him as an adult would to another, to try and teach him to pronounce words throughout his maligned sentences. Not that I could pronounce words any better! What with my French Canadian, Indian, English accent normal folk have a hard time understanding me. I think the study is not complete without considering older siblings making up for words that otherwise would be more in-dependant in thinking. And left alone more advanced. But that does not take in the "learning by watching" school of thought where the mistakes learned by older siblings will be repeated in the younger brats......ummmm........angels.
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shirohniichan Original500© Member  Obscurius per obscurum
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These same "scientists" argue that a sibling six or more years younger than his or her eldest siblings is considered an eldest child as they represent an entirely different generation. OK, so both of my daughters are "eldest" children.  And I was just about to give up on teaching anything to the younger one since I thought the article said she wouldn't be as smart.  If we don't notice these things without a study, I tend to doubt the study's findings.
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shirohniichan Original500© Member Obscurius per obscurum
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By the way, I am the yungist of for childrun.
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Britt Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Learning Contentment
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shirohniichan wrote: If we don't notice these things without a study, I tend to doubt the study's findings. Yes, indeed, we must always question study findings and statistics. You mentioned that you are the youngest in your family. My youngest sister is considered a "non-eldest child," ha-ha, and she is absolutely brilliant. We all went to university, and three of us have advanced degrees, but only my youngest sister earned a full scholarship to Princeton. Yep, she's amazing.
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librtyhead wrote: I think the boy becomes "lazy" in his speech pattern "flwr,bk,dugggg,trk" I try to talk to him as an adult would to another, to try and teach him to pronounce words throughout his maligned sentences. Not that I could pronounce words any better! What with my French Canadian, Indian, English accent normal folk have a hard time understanding me. librtyhead, you never cease to humor me with your hilarious comments! God bless your little son and his "flwr,bk,dugggg,trk," ha-ha. Personally, I do not think "lazy speech" is an indicator of low intelligence, it's more likely an indicator of great creativity! Maybe he enjoys funny sounds and making people laugh? There are many brilliant comedians in the world whom enjoyed making strange sounds as children, he-he. Eh, and I imagine his dear father is perfectly understandable. I hope your son is developing your sense of humor, libertyhead. Yessir, I imagine your kids are a lot of fun.
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shirohniichan Original500© Member Obscurius per obscurum
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Britt wrote: shirohniichan wrote:If we don't notice these things without a study, I tend to doubt the study's findings. My oldest brother is the only one of us not to have gone to college. My second oldest brother earned his BA, and only the last two of us went on to post-graduate degrees. I don't equate intelligence with degrees, however, as I have met PhD's who are idiot savants. I'm sure some people I consider intelligent never went to or finished college. In my oldest brother's instance, his decision not to go to college was more a matter of a lack of motivation/ desire to rebel than one of intelligence.
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shirohniichan wrote: I don't equate intelligence with degrees, however, as I have met PhD's who are idiot savants. Hahaha! You are right about that! I have heard many people say the same thing. My brother the professor is constantly complaining about his colleagues with lots of book sense but no clue how to tie their shoes. I'm sure some people I consider intelligent never went to or finished college. Agreed. One of my dad's friends was a fine inventor who never went to college. Same with my great-grandfather the paper chemist; he never went to college, he was simply self-taught. College does NOT equal intelligence. In my oldest brother's instance, his decision not to go to college was more a matter of a lack of motivation/ desire to rebel than one of intelligence. Haha! Sounds like me. I finally went for my undergrad in 1996 and graduated in 2000, but I am still the underachiever of the family...and the oldest. One of the smartest people I met was my surpervisor at a plastic extrusion factory. He was a brilliant writer, played five instruments, and painted gorgeous oil portraits of his neighborhood. Just a simple guy from Jamaica, doin' his thang.
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