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shirohniichan Original500© Member  Obscurius per obscurum
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I want to focus on this statement just to clarify my point:Ummmmm... hold up a sec; are you trying to suggest that my preference for the beats of the Neptunes over Mahler or Berlioz means my brain isn't art-developed. NO, sorry, unacceptable, that little bit of artistic elitism will simply NOT pass. Preferences are a funny thing. Think about tastes in food. If I prefer Kraft Mac & Cheese to the finest offering of a Michelin 3-star chef, it does not mean that I can reasonably say, "To each his own-- they are both fine cuisine." My personal likes and dislikes do not make haute cuisine high. I may have graduated from a top chef academy and still prefer boxed macaroni and cheese to some great creation of another chef. Even so, it does not make both dishes on the same level.
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bjork73 Pioneer100© Member  Official Forum (T)reasoner
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You bring up some valid points shiro, but here's the thing; after a certain point of introductory exposure, ins't personal taste the key factor? If a person doesn't like impressionist paintings or a Wagnerian opera, that person is not going to willingly expose themselves to it simply to derive some sort of artistic "nutrition" (unlike food, since you made the reference). It is fruitless if not counterproductive to force art with which one don't identify upon him/her. Last edited on 11:13 am by bjork73 |
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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The No Child Left Behind has left MANY children behind............ Self Expression is probably the single most thing that separates us form being drones. It keeps us from becoming robots. Yes Math, English and Reading are at the top of the list. I think "introduction" to The Arts should be close behind. One only needs to look at the way kids dress, to see SELF EXPRESSION! I do not think you can teach a person how to be an artist. To me, that's a gift from God. I do think we can be introduced to art in all forms, preferably at the early stages in life, and "learn" to enjoy them. From there we can take what we've experienced, and develop our own STYLE.......
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shirohniichan Original500© Member Obscurius per obscurum
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bjork73 wrote: You bring up some valid points shiro, but here's the thing; after a certain point of introductory exposure, ins't personal taste the key factor? If a person doesn't like impressionist paintings or a Wagnerian opera, that person is not going to willingly expose themselves to it simply to derive some sort of artistic "nutrition" (unlike food, since you made the reference). It is fruitless if not counterproductive to force art with which one don't identify upon him/her. I agree. Personal preferences determine what we like, and a good exposure to art doesn't mean we will necessarily prefer Botticelli to Thomas Kincade or Bach to Wham. What I want to emphasize is that without art education, the music of Beethoven or the paintings of Monet are harder to understand than pop music and commercial art and thus inaccessible to most. It bothers me how often I hear classical music called "boring" by people (especially teens) who think the latest flash in the pan is the pinnacle of musical achievement. Ironically, a couple years later they're embarrassed to have liked that music so much. Generally, those who took piano lessons as children and learned basic pieces by Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven tend to understand classical music more and are less likely to dismiss it as "boring", even if they don't listen to it often. If you have a good education in art, at least you'll be able to understand why you prefer Cindi Lauper to Mussorgsky. Without it, you'll only know that one sounds "good" and the other sounds "boring".
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Robodoon Original500© Member  God Fearing Patriot
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NO, not unless you want stupid kids. Let them be artsy on their own, School is not a place for art.
"...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Robodoon wrote: NO, not unless you want stupid kids. Let them be artsy on their own, School is not a place for art. Robo, I disagree. And you should too, if you understood your Christian heritage better. It's a well-understood fact that: - Many of the hardcore scientific and logical "thinkers" - the sort of people who are against religion, do not believe in God, ignore Christ, and generally feel as though morals and ethics should be driven by the needs of man instead of a higher ideal... ... are people who also happened to have little or no contact in childhood with the arts and music. They are the sort of people who are analytical and not passionate emotionalists. On the other hand, MANY of the great people of religion from ALL the world's religions, Christianity being perhaps foremost (or maybe just the best known) --- - were VERY passionately involved in the arts and music from an early age. I am a person from both walks of life-- I'm an engineer, both in radio communications and in information technology, specifically cutting-edge network engineering. But I'm also a pipe organist and sometime-composer. And it is from that musical inspiration and background that my emotional passion for God and His Messengers comes--- my deep and abiding love for the works of Bach, Handel, the Liturgy, the great works of art adorning the cathedrals built to glorify God and Christ! I feel ABSOLUTELY certain that if I had been a pure scientist-engineer, I would have not been at all inclined towards religion and I would have been far less spiritually emotional and passionate about God. I firmly believe that if we were to remove art from the schools, most parents would not bother with it at home, and then you'd have FAR more children disinterested in religion, because their schools had taught them to be too analytical, too logical, too science-minded--- in short, out of balance. I disagree with you.
Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! I am but a vassal of Thine, and Thou art, in truth, the King of kings. I have lifted my suppliant hands unto the heaven of Thy grace and Thy bounties. Send down, then, upon me from the clouds of Thy generos |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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Art was my favorite class! A time for imagination and creativity to be let out!. A great opportunity for stress relief. 
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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