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speaking of good vs. bad teachers, Frank (I'd rather call it effective vs. ineffective!)  let's take a look at what that should look like:


Characteristics of a well-managed classroom:

1.  Students are deeply involved in their work.
2.  Students know what is expected of them and are generally successful.
3.  There is little wasted time, disruption, discipline, or confusion.
4.  The climate of the classroom is work-oriented, but relaxed and pleasant.
5.  Teacher takes time to make rounds and work one-one-one.

Let’s see how this looks in real life:

Effective Teacher
students are working.
Students know what is expected of them  on classroom assignments, homework, tests, and daily routines.
Teacher has a logical, consistent disciplinary ladder.
Teacher starts class immediately.
Teacher has assignments posted. (Preferably for the entire week if not more, possibly on line too!)
Teacher has taken the time to make procedures habits.
Teacher knows how to get the class’ attention without shouting. (I just hold up my hand and get quiet, it’s very effective and less nerve wracking than shouting!)
Teacher knows appropriate praise and encouragement. (Tricky!)
Students get personal attention from teacher at their desks.

Ineffective teacher:
Teacher is doing all the work.
Teacher says “Know this chapter.”
Teacher makes up rules and punishes according to mood.
Teacher takes roll and dailies.
Students are confused and ask for the assignment repeatedly.
Teacher yells or flicks the light.
Teacher uses generalized praise or none at all.
Students are required to find teacher who is behind desk.

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Saint wrote: A good teacher realizes that image and communication are as important to a techer as they are to a business.


That is a very important point rarely touched upon in education classes!  Bravo!

The students are the primary clients, the parents secondary clients, and both must be treated with respect and professionalism.

I am really glad to see you make this point.

Do you share this with the university students you mentor through a practicum?  (Bet you do!)




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Do you share this with the university students you mentor through a practicum? (Bet you do!)

Affirmative!  I am the school's mentor teacher, so all that I'm am passing to you, I pass to them during their first year of teaching.  (That's, by far the most brutal year, and you'd be surprised at how many don't return for another year.  Mentoring can make the difference between a first year that is a nightmare and one that is an enjoyable year of growth and learning.)




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Saint wrote: Teacher is doing all the work.

This reminds me of something Harry Wong observes in his book The First Days of
School
.  I found it quite eye opening when Wong suggested that if the teacher is exhausted at the end of the school day, then s/he is doing something wrong. The STUDENTS should be doing the work.  It is they who should be tired.  It sure made me stop and think for a moment.




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Thanks for that earlier response to me, Saint. :)




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This goes with our topic of classroom management, too.  A teacher the dresses professionally and has a professional image, naturally sends the message to students that "I'm serious, I'm professional, we are here to learn."  (and vice versa!)

I find a huge difference in discipline between days when I dress casually (School shirt and slacks, no tie) and days when I dress professionally (suit and tie.)

Additionally, I display my degrees and awards on a wall behind my desk.  This send the message, I am a professional to parents during conferences in the same way it does in a doctor's office.




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Saint wrote: Characteristics of a well-managed classroom:

1.  Students are deeply involved in their work.
2.  Students know what is expected of them and are generally successful.
3.  There is little wasted time, disruption, discipline, or confusion.
4.  The climate of the classroom is work-oriented, but relaxed and pleasant.
5.  Teacher takes time to make rounds and work one-one-one.

For parents, these characteristics can also be applied to good effect.  For example, having consistent expectations and consequences helps children feel a greater sense of security.  Keeping children engaged in meaningful tasks is also an important lesson for parents.  This eliminates "boredom" and keeps children feeling productive.

How have you applied your classroom management techniques to parenting your step-son?




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Britt wrote: Saint wrote: Teacher is doing all the work.

This reminds me of something Harry Wong observes in his book The First Days of
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Absolutely!  That's the Bible for teaching as far as I'm concerned!
Although I differ in some of the basic day-to-day implementation, (Harry likes to have papers handed to him, I prefer a central, color-coded folder and the students taking the responsibility to hand them in themselves) I complete agree with his overall philosophy ad practices.




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Saint wrote: Britt wrote: Saint wrote: Teacher is doing all the work.

This reminds me of something Harry Wong observes in his book The First Days of
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Absolutely!  That's the Bible for teaching as far as I'm concerned!
Although I differ in some of the basic day-to-day implementation, (Harry likes to have papers handed to him, I prefer a central, color-coded folder and the students taking the responsibility to hand them in themselves) I complete agree with his overall philosophy ad practices.

I agree.  It is better to make students responsible for their own education.  If they fail to turn in an assignment within the appropriate folder, it is no one's fault but their own.  A messy desk or a stack of papers cannot be blamed.




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How have you applied your classroom management techniques to parenting your step-son?

OUCH!  That's a pointy question, Britt!  But the classroom management techniques I outlined work just as well in the home.  (One note, though, never forget that your family are NOT your students!)

Structure, routine, and responsibility are all things that I brought with me to the marriage.  My wife, bless her heart, doted on my son allowing him complete freedom. Of course she would, that being her only son.  Unfortunately, in addition to freedom of choice she gave him freedom from choice too.  He chose (as any 12 year old would) not to do chores, make his bed, or clean his room.

I changed all that.  I'll be honest, it caused friction at first.  But everyone understood that we were in the process of becoming a family and that we would all have to change.  Eventually, it paid off for aeveryone.  He is an amazing man and an excellent father now.  (and his daughters are some of the most intelligent and well-behaved little girls I have ever seen!)

Both children and students will tell you all day long they don't want rules and boundries...but they do!!

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On student responsibility:
A few of my personal rules:  keep classroom rules very general and simple.  My most basic rule is “Nothing that can hurt another student.”  This can be applied to anything from physical attack, to throw objects, to harsh words, to bullying.

Make the students responsible for as much of their learning as possible. I will never go to a student and say, “Did you know that you have three missing assignments? Would you like to make them up?”  Now I am taking all the responsibility.  Instead I wait for the student to come to me and say, “Do I have any missing assignments?”  The minute they do I will take time to give them to the student and of course teach them quickly how to do it.

Never have a “hidden agenda.”  If you want a behavior, explain why you want it. Never tell students you are doing something for one reason, when it really is another.  They will know.

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Saint wrote: How have you applied your classroom management techniques to parenting your step-son?

OUCH!  That's a pointy question, Britt!  But the classroom management techniques I outlined work just as well in the hime.  One note, though, never forget that your family are NOT your students!

Structure, routine, and responsibility are all things that I brought with me to the marriage.  My wife, bless her heart, doted on my son allowing him complete freedom. Of course she would, that being her only son.  Unfortunately, in addition to freedom of choice she gave him freedom from choice too.  He chose (as any 12 year old would) not to do chores, make his bed, or clean his room.

I changed all that.  I'll be honest, it caused friction at first.  But everyone understood that we were in the process of becoming a family and that we would all have to change.  Eventually, it paid off for aeveryone.  He is an amazing man and an excellent father now.  (and his daughters are some of the most intelligent and well-behaved little girls I have ever seen!)

Both children and students will tell you all day long they don't want rules and boundries...but they do!!


Well said!  Sorry I got too personal...!  Still, I am very happy that you insisted that your step-son learn structure, routine and responsibility.  I am very sure he is grateful to you!

And I agree: Children and students want and NEED rules and boundaries!

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That's a big thing, you're right .. make the kids take responsibility for getting their homework done ... they are expected to know what to do in first grade by me!




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24HourNut wrote: That's a big thing, you're right .. make the kids take responsibility for getting their homework done ... they are expected to know what to do in first grade by me!

You'd be a great teacher, Frank!

Children live up to our expectations.  If we expect them to be independent learners, they will be so.  Likewise, if we expect them to be completely dependent upon us for guidance, they will meet our expectations and act as if they haven't a clue, ha-ha.

I am glad you have high standards for your kids.  Being responsible for homework is not an unreasonable expectation.




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24HourNut wrote: That's a big thing, you're right .. make the kids take responsibility for getting their homework done ... they are expected to know what to do in first grade by me!
And I'll suggest that you use a little "classroom management" technique there too.  Try to have your child do their homework at the same time each night.  Eventually, it'll become a habit and then other plans such as videogames, cell phone calls tofriends, and TV shows will begin to be naturally put on hold until after that time.

It's important to have a structured homework "workplace" for your student too.  Just as we do at school with our organized classrooms and routines, have a small desk or corner for your child.  Well lit and quiet, where they can go to do their homework  withot distraction.  (the TV room is a terrible place for that!)




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