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Britt Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Learning Contentment
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 Hello! This study from Mississippi State University by John Bartkowski suggests that children with religious parents are better behaved and adjusted than other children. Clearly, religious and spiritual training helps children grow to be happier adults! This finding holds true only if parents refrain from arguing over religious matters. Parents whom regularly argue over religion have the opposite affect upon their children. Good news for parents raising their children with religious and spiritual training!Report: Religion Is Good for Kids Melinda Wenner Special to LiveScience LiveScience.com Tue Apr 24, 10:45 AM ET Kids with religious parents are better behaved and adjusted than other children, according to a new study that is the first to look at the effects of religion on young child development. The conflict that arises when parents regularly argue over their faith at home, however, has the opposite effect. John Bartkowski, a Mississippi State University sociologist and his colleagues asked the parents and teachers of more than 16,000 kids, most of them first-graders, to rate how much self control they believed the kids had, how often they exhibited poor or unhappy behavior and how well they respected and worked with their peers. The researchers compared these scores to how frequently the children’s parents said they attended worship services, talked about religion with their child and argued abut religion in the home. The kids whose parents regularly attended religious services—especially when both parents did so frequently—and talked with their kids about religion were rated by both parents and teachers as having better self-control, social skills and approaches to learning than kids with non-religious parents. But when parents argued frequently about religion, the children were more likely to have problems. “Religion can hurt if faith is a source of conflict or tension in the family,” Bartkowski noted. Why so good? Bartkowski thinks religion can be good for kids for three reasons. First, religious networks provide social support to parents, he said, and this can improve their parenting skills. Children who are brought into such networks and hear parental messages reinforced by other adults may also “take more to heart the messages that they get in the home,” he said. Secondly, the types of values and norms that circulate in religious congregations tend to be self-sacrificing and pro-family, Bartkowski told LiveScience. These “could be very, very important in shaping how parents relate to their kids, and then how children develop in response,” he said. Finally, religious organizations imbue parenting with sacred meaning and significance, he said. University of Virginia sociologist W. Bradford Wilcox, who was not involved in the study, agrees. At least for the most religious parents, “getting their kids into heaven is more important than getting their kids into Harvard,” Wilcox said. But as for why religious organizations might provide more of a boost to family life than secular organizations designed to do the same thing, that’s still somewhat of a mystery, said Annette Mahoney, a psychologist at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, also not involved in the research. Mahoney wondered: “Is there anything about religion and spirituality that sets it apart?” Unanswered questions Bartkowski points out that one limitation of his study, to be published in the journal Social Science Research, is that it did not compare how denominations differed with regards to their effects on kids. “We really don’t know if conservative Protestant kids are behaving better than Catholic kids or behaving better than mainline Protestant kids or Jewish kids,” he said. It’s also possible that the correlation between religion and child development is the other way around, he said. In other words, instead of religion having a positive effect on youth, maybe the parents of only the best behaved children feel comfortable in a religious congregation. “There are certain expectations about children’s behavior within a religious context, particularly within religious worship services,” he said. These expectations might frustrate parents, he said, and make congregational worship “a less viable option if they feel their kids are really poorly behaved.”
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bjork73 Pioneer100© Member  Official Forum (T)reasoner
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This is all fine and well, but if I were to have kids, I would want them behaving well nto because they were afraid of some supernatural punishment, but because they knew it was better for them, their family, and their society to behave properly. Also, I think what constitutes "good" behavior (children should be seen and not heard, always honor and obey your parents, etc.) falls squarely in line with Western religious doctrine. Oh, and this study IS from Mississippi State... not exactly surprising that the study does smack of (Judeo-)Christian elitism...
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Britt I tried to reply to this several times and stopped. I will say though that the benefits seen here can relate to any spiritual education and upbringing and not just "religious" IMO.
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bjork73 Pioneer100© Member Official Forum (T)reasoner
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Hamster wrote: Britt I tried to reply to this several times and stopped. I will say though that the benefits seen here can relate to any spiritual education and upbringing and not just "religious" IMO. I'll agree with that  Spiritual concepts do make higher-level morality issues a bit less nebulous... I didn't mean to sound like an indignant athiest; after, I am a firm "believer" in karma and reincarnation, so to each his or her all    Last edited on 09:45 am by bjork73 |
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Britt Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Learning Contentment
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Dearest Bjork and Hamster, Spiritual practices, not only religious practices, are instrumental in the positive development of kids. I did not mean to imply that only religious training is "good for kids". Also, Bjork, in my opinion, most religious people do not abide by the laws of their religions out of fear. In my case, it is out of love. Anyway, sorry about the misunderstanding! Britt (P.S.) Yo, bjork, I like the musical artist Bjork quite a bit, especially the song "Joga"! Rockin' name, Dude.
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bjork73 Pioneer100© Member Official Forum (T)reasoner
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I guess when one has a personal understanding of their particular religion or spirituality, moral behavior is done out of love and a desire to create and perpetuate good; when one is simply towing the line out of perceived family or other social obligation, fear becomes a significant factor. I've seen my fair share of both. And yes, my screen name rocks, thanks for recognizing Britt   She's always been one of my favorite musical artists, plus her whole approach to the artistic/creative process is inspirational; she does whatever the heck she wants but her material is still approachable and inviting. "Joga", like the entire Homogenic album, is incredible 
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bjork73 wrote: Hamster wrote:Britt I tried to reply to this several times and stopped. I will say though that the benefits seen here can relate to any spiritual education and upbringing and not just "religious" IMO.  pretty much my belief too!
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Britt wrote: Dearest Bjork and Hamster, Britt you never fail to amaze me! 
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construct Pioneer100© Member  The Boy Next Door
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It seems to me that the study is descibing the attributes of a self-validating feedback loop within a community of belief. I wonder what the result would be if the test subjects were families involved in an intentional community based on a secular ideology such as Leninist Marxism.
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construct wrote: It seems to me that the study is descibing the attributes of a self-validating feedback loop within a community of belief. I wonder what the result would be if the test subjects were families involved in an intentional community based on a secular ideology such as Leninist Marxism. Interesting! I bet you could get the same results with any ideology?
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Children should be taught about ALL religious doctrines at school, with NO doctrine being promoted as the RIGHT one. And yes that includes spiritualism, satanism and EVERYTHING else in between. Then when they grow up they have ALL the information on which to make a considered and independent decision for themselves. They can CHOOSE a religion based on their own personal beliefs and reject any (or all) religion on a similar basis. Anyone trying to indoctrinate their religious beliefs on children are no better than paedophiles in my opinion. The exploitation and indoctrination of a childrens mind is equally as bad as trying to exploit them sexually and physically.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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the types of values and norms that circulate in religious congregations tend to be self-sacrificing and pro-family What a concept! But then, what is a sermon, but a lesson on how to live your life. That's the kind of lesson that is not taught (and shouldn't be!) in schools. Schools are for science and math, churches are for life and faith. We all lost when we forgot that and took church out of our lives.
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construct Pioneer100© Member The Boy Next Door
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cynicalninja wrote:Children should be taught about ALL religious doctrines at school, with NO doctrine being promoted as the RIGHT one. And yes that includes spiritualism, satanism and EVERYTHING else in between. I agree even though I find the analogies a little extreme. The only thing I would add is that I wouldn't get all excited about any religious view a child might take as long as he is living with his parents.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Polymath
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Children should be taught about ALL religious doctrines at school, with NO doctrine being promoted as the RIGHT one. And yes that includes spiritualism, satanism and EVERYTHING else in between. What kind of time do you think we have? But trust me on this, you don't want the state teaching your children anything about religion. The Pilgrims came over here for that very reason.
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construct Pioneer100© Member The Boy Next Door
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Saint wrote:Children should be taught about ALL religious doctrines at school, with NO doctrine being promoted as the RIGHT one. And yes that includes spiritualism, satanism and EVERYTHING else in between. I don't see anything wrong with a high school elective surveying the history of philosophy and religion. Is that really outside the realm of possibility? We have been trying to make room for that in Texas. That was also a part of my own private school's curriculum.
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