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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > The Christian's Straight and Narrow Path > GET ANSWERS: The Crucifixion & Resurrection of Christ |
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1jester Pioneer100© Member  Pilgrim Sojourner
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I'm sorry if I can't give you what you're asking or hoping for. But I know that if you ask God sincerely in prayer, He'll provide you with the answers you seek.
 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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1jester wrote: I know that if you ask God sincerely in prayer, He'll provide you with the answers you seek. Two VERY off-topic comments here. 1. Suppose YOU ask God sincerely in prayer that He will inspire you with an answer I will find totally convincing. As soon as you feel God has given you that answer, post it and we will discuss it. 2. In late 1976 I asked God sincerely in prayer if He wanted me to be a Christian or a Baha'i. The answer to that prayer was absolutely clear. Do you honestly believe God guided me?
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member  Ye Olde Dead King
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berinwitness wrote: OVER 500 WITNESSES Berin, here is what Paul said: 1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. He did name several, Cephas, the Twelve, James and himself. Do you think it would have been reasonable for Paul to name all 500 and give their address on his letter to the Christians at Corinth? The importance of this quote is that it shows Paul was convinced that there were 500 people who would back up what he was saying. While it is not rock-solid proof, it has to carry a lot of weight.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Paul was stating the simple fact that at the time of his letter there were 500+- witnesses available for questioning to verify the resurrection. Simple as that. Powerfull credibility! I bet you would be one of the first ones to come to Paul in the first century and ask for a name list. He would have gladly gave you one berin if you asked. I'm sure as many as you needed... but, would that have convinced you? The Jews seek a sign and the Gentiles seek wisdom. Last edited on 04:26 am by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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Aethelred wrote: here is what Paul said: Cephas, the Twelve, James, and himself saw/heard/spoke with Jesus on separate occasions. The way that is worded does not say any of them were present at the appearance to the 500. It would be reasonable for modern-day Christians to have a list of names if they are going to cite that quote as evidence the way (Doctor?) (Reverend?) McDowell does. Paul is welcome to be convinced of whatever he pleases. That doesn't mean I am required by Almighty God to also be convinced.
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: I bet you would be one of the first ones to come to Paul in the first century and ask for a name list. He would have gladly gave you one berin if you asked. I'm sure as many as you needed... but, would that have convinced you? Yes, of course it would have convinced me. A study of the Baha'i Faith answered all of my questions. That is why I am a Baha'i today.
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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I notice that, so far, no-one has prayed for inspiration. Why not, may I ask?1. Suppose YOU ask God sincerely in prayer that He will inspire you with an answer I will find totally convincing. As soon as you feel God has given you that answer, post it and we will discuss it. Several other Christians have also ignored (or in one case point-blank refused) to ask Jesus for help in answering my questions when I have suggested it. I may be a bit cynical but that indicates a lack of faith to me.
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1jester Pioneer100© Member Pilgrim Sojourner
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berinwitness wrote: I notice that, so far, no-one has prayed for inspiration. Why not, may I ask?There you go jumping to unfounded and rash conclusions again. And you're mistaken. I have and do continue to pray for inspiration, and I'd be willing to bet the farm and much more that many other Christians do also. That you don't accept the Bible as God's word isn't my fault. And by the way, how are you so sure that the voice you heard in 1976 telling you to be a Bahaii and not a Christian was of God? Also, I reject your notion that my response to your question was off topic. You only want to hear what you want to hear, nothing else, by all appearances. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member Ye Olde Dead King
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Several other Christians have also ignored (or in one case point-blank refused) to ask Jesus for help in answering my questions when I have suggested it. I may be a bit cynical but that indicates a lack of faith to me. I tend to to discuss with people what I talk to God about. However, I have and do ask God to show me truth, help me to see it when He does and to help me to see and do His will.
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member Ye Olde Dead King
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Another line of evedince for the Resurrection is the empty tomb. The Jews and Romans would not have had a motive for taking the body of Christ. The followers of Christ did not have an opportunity to take it. If they had taken it, and built a religion around the idea of a resurrection they knew was false, it would not be possible to account for the change that took place among them. It is also not possible to account for their willingness to die for a concept they knew was false. If the body was still in the tomb, the Jews or Romans could have brought it out at any time which would have put an end to this new movement once and for all.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Aethelred wrote: Another line of evedince for the Resurrection is the empty tomb. "Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?" 1 Corinthians 15:12 "If Christ is not risen, your faith is futile, you are still in your sins!" 1 Corinthians 15:17 It is also critical to understand that IF He never rose from the dead we are still lost. The resurrection is 50% of the Gospel Message. Belief in the Gospel is the message that saves!  50% The Savior was crucified 50% The Savior was raised from the dead Without one or the other... the gospel is no longer THE GOOD NEWS!
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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1jester wrote: There you go jumping to unfounded and rash conclusions again. Personally, I do not think any of my conclusions are either unfounded or rash. I have and do continue to pray for inspiration Have you ever wondered why Jesus has not given you any help winning me to Him? how are you so sure that the voice you heard in 1976 telling you to be a Bahaii and not a Christian was of God? I asked God for guidance. Who else could have answered my prayer? And it wasn't a voice. The guidance I received was evidence pointing toward belief in Baha'u'llah, evidence that I found in book after book. I reject your notion that my response to your question was off topic. Please correct me if I'm wrong. You're wrong. I never said your response was off topic. I said my question was off topic. 
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1jester Pioneer100© Member Pilgrim Sojourner
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berinwitness wrote: 1jester wrote:1. That's OK; we both have a right to our own respective opinions, and I respect yours.There you go jumping to unfounded and rash conclusions again. 2. I cannot read Jesus' mind, so I have no way of knowing in what exact way He is working. Nor do I have any way to read your mind, so I don't know if you are being won over to Him or not, or if you are considering it or not. By the way, please don't think that my only goal is to win others over to Christ. I do indeed wish to do that, but I understand and am quite happy about the fact we have so much God-given freedom to choose our own path, and that I respect. So it's no skin off my back if you reject Him, yet I would be truly saddened to know for certain that you have chosen to do so. I'd very much like it if you would turn to Him, but that is your own business and choice in life. I wish to see as many people as possible in Heaven, and I'm doing what I can to achieve that goal, with the help and grace of God helping me. 3. I'm glad you're convinced in your own mind; each of us must be convinced in our own mind. I hope you realize true happiness and success with your decisions. 4. Oh! I misunderstood.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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1jester wrote: we both have a right to our own respective opinions Thank you. My questions are directed ONLY at the Christians who say I have no right whatsoever to believe what I want, so I will stop here.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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berinwitness wrote: 1jester wrote:we both have a right to our own respective opinions I don't think you will find any christian here who is going to tell you that you have no right to believe what you believe. So I don't think you will find the person your looking for to direct your questions?
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