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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member  Ye Olde Dead King
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DISCLAIMER: The purpose of this thread is to answer honest, but perhaps skeptical or critical questions on a specific and narrow subject as defined by the title and first post of this thread. It is hoped that this can be done while still adhering to the rules as established by 1Jester when he created this forum, those are in part: “Those who haven’t accepted Christ are also welcome to participate in the forum, but we expect a modicum of respect to prevail at all times… Hence, no name calling, bad language or inappropriate graphics will be tolerated. This is not the place to attack Christians or Christianity… The focus will be on doctrine and belief, not attacks on Christians or members of this forum.” Having said that, I welcome all non-Christians to participate fully and enthusiastically. ________________________________________________________________________ SUBJECT: This thread will focus on the period of time directly preceding the Crucifixion of Christ, the actual Crucifixion and the Resurrection. Events subsequent to the Resurrection may also be discussed.
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member Ye Olde Dead King
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The Crucifixion from a medical point of view: The flogging: A flogging administered by the Romans was a very brutal form of punishment. The whips consisted of several braided leather straps that would have metal balls woven into them as well as broken bits of bone and/or glass. A flogging was intended to be 39 lashes, but would often be even more. These floggings extended from the shoulders to the back, buttocks and back of the legs. On striking the flesh, the metal balls would cause deep bruses and contusions while the bone and glass would cut and rip the flesh severly. With additional blows the bruses and contusions would break open. One Roman writer who witnessed such a beating said "The sufferer's veins were laid bare as were the muscles and bowels." Many people subjected to such a beating would die before they could be crucified. Dr. Alexander Metherell states that at the "very least the victim would experience great pain and go into hypovolemic shock." Hypovolemic shock is a combination of teh heartbeat increasing to try to pump lost blood and low blood pressure. This condition would also make a person very thirsty as the body would need fluid to replace the lost blood volume. After this beating Christ would have been taken to the location of the Crucifixion, He would have been laid down with his arms outstreached at opposite ends of the horizontal beam of the cross (the vertical beam would already be in the ground. Iron spikes six or more inches long would have been driven through His wrists. This would crush the median nerve, causing unbearable pain. The horizontal beam (with Christ nailed to it) would then be lifted and attached to the vertical beam, the horizontal beam would be dropped into place, often dislocating the shoulders of the victim. Christ's feet would then be nailed to the vertical beam, crushing additional nerves and causing more severe pain. Once attached to the cross in a hanging position, Chrsit's arms would stretch by up to six inches and his shoulders, if not already dislocated, would become so. The actual cause of death in crucifixion is asphyxiation. Due to stress placed on the muscles and diaphragm, once a person inhaled he would have to push up with his feat to exhale, causing the nail in the feet to tear through tissue until it locked against the tarsal bones. Over time as breathing slows, carbon dioxide in the blood would dissolve as carbonic acid in the blood. This leads to an irregular heartbeat, which when combined with hypovlemic shock causes a build-up of fluid around the heart and cardiac arrest.
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GABBATHA – JUDGMENT [KOS] THE DARKNESS AND THE DAWN http://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Scriptures/W-KOS-Gabbatha-Judgment-APPENDIX-B.htm
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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Aethelred wrote: DISCLAIMER: I could come up with a question or two I feel would be honest, but there is always the possibility that they could be considered an attack on Christianity.
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member Ye Olde Dead King
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berinwitness wrote: Aethelred wrote:DISCLAIMER: Feel free to ask. 
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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Of what importance is the Resurrection? Jesus' teachings were the Word of God. They would have remained valid even if He had stayed dead. Right or wrong?
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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berinwitness wrote: Of what importance is the Resurrection? Jesus' teachings were the Word of God. They would have remained valid even if He had stayed dead. The fact that He (The Messiah) was crucified and raised from the dead for our sins is the Gospel Message. It was foretold that the only sign the Jews would get is the sign of Jonah in the belly of the whale as Jesus was in the earth for 3 days and then raised from the dead. It's everything to accept the resurection or we are still dead in our sins and trespasses. "...if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead you will be saved." Romans 10:9-10 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures...
 Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: berinwitness wrote:Of what importance is the Resurrection? Jesus' teachings were the Word of God. They would have remained valid even if He had stayed dead. That doesn't answer my question. Jesus' teachings were the Word of God. They would have remained valid, and could have been preached to all the world, even if He had stayed dead. Right or wrong?
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:berinwitness wrote:Of what importance is the Resurrection? Jesus' teachings were the Word of God. They would have remained valid even if He had stayed dead. The resurection is what validates Him. It fullfills prophesy concerning Him. If He wasn't resurrected, our christian faith is futile and hopeless.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: The resurection is what validates Him. It fullfills prophesy concerning Him. If He wasn't resurrected, our christian faith is futile and hopeless. Are you saying that loving one another and all the subsidiary doctrines would not have been worth putting into practice if Jesus had stayed dead? Would everything He had taught have become false if He had stayed dead? How does the Resurrection validate Him? Wouldn't He still have been Lord, the Son of God, the way the truth and the life if He had stayed dead?
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member Ye Olde Dead King
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Berin, that is a good question. It has been asked for almost 2000 years, here is how Paul responded to it: 1Co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 1Co 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
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Aethelred wrote: Berin, that is a good question. It has been asked for almost 2000 years, here is how Paul responded to it: But I'm not asking if we would or would not be raised from the dead if Jesus had not been raised, I'm asking if we should still pass along His teachings, and love each other, if He had not been raised.
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1jester Pioneer100© Member  Pilgrim Sojourner
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berinwitness wrote: Aethelred wrote:Loving one another is all good, but denying that He was the Christ is bound to get you into trouble.Berin, that is a good question. It has been asked for almost 2000 years, here is how Paul responded to it:
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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Please answer the following questions with the word "yes" or the word "no". That's all I'm asking for.I'm not interested in sermons. Are you saying that loving one another and all the subsidiary doctrines would not have been worth putting into practice if Jesus had stayed dead? Would everything He had taught have become false if He had stayed dead? Wouldn't He still have been Lord, the Son of God, the way the truth and the life if He had stayed dead?
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1jester wrote: Loving one another is all good, but denying that He was the Christ is bound to get you into trouble. What does that have to do with the question I have been asking?
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