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Robodoon Original500© Member  God Fearing Patriot
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By Pastor Chuck Baldwin October 16, 2007 NewsWithViews.com "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition." (II Thess. 2:3) This passage of Scripture has been one of the most subjectively interpreted verses of the entire New Testament. Early Christians believed various Caesars to be the predicted "man of sin." During the Dark Ages and into the Reformation age, many Christians believed various popes to be the predicted "man of sin." In Arabia around 600 AD, many Christians believed Mohammed to be the "man of sin." During our War for Independence, many Christians believed old King George to be the "man of sin." During the Twentieth Century, many Christians wondered if Hitler or Stalin could be the dreaded "man of sin." Today, many Christians (including this writer) believe that the predicted "man of sin" is none other than a coming Antichrist. However, regardless of one's interpretation of who the "man of sin" is, there is no doubt about Paul's prediction that before this man comes, there will be a great "falling away first." By "a falling away," Paul was clearly referring to a state or condition of "apostasy." Paul is saying that before the "man of sin" (whoever he is) will be able to seduce and deceive humanity, the church will fall into apostasy. By definition, apostasy is the condition of those who once (in some degree) embraced the truth, but have now abandoned or forsaken it. Obviously, this applies only to professing Christians. Infidels, agnostics, and unbelievers have no profession from which to apostatize. Accordingly, whether on a local or universal scale, before various men of sin can seduce and deceive their respective societies, the Church must first be in a state of apostasy. Saying it another way: churches that are sound in the faith, strong in truth, and steadfast in the Word serve as a resistance and retardant to evil men. No wonder the Lord Jesus said we Christians are "the salt of the earth." That said, I am personally convinced that, by and large, the churches of America (regardless of denomination) are in a state of apostasy. And as such, offer little or no resistance to the men of sin who seek to seduce and deceive our people. When a professing Christian President can openly acknowledge his belief in universalism and attack the supreme doctrine of Christianity, that Jesus Christ is the Creator-God become flesh, and there is not an uproar of protestation and denunciation from pulpits all over the country, the church is in a state of apostasy. And that is exactly what has taken place. When interviewed by ABC's Charles Gibson, President George W. Bush revealed his lack of even basic understanding of Christian doctrine. Here is a verbatim transcript from that interview: Q. "Do we all worship the same God, Christian and Muslim?" A. "I think we do. We have different routes of getting to the Almighty." Q. "Do Christians and non-Christians and Muslims go to heaven in your mind?" A. "Yes they do. We have different routes of getting there." Then, just a few days ago, President Bush, in an interview with Al Arabiya television, said, "I believe in an almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God." In the same interview he said, "I believe there is a universal God. I believe the God that the Muslim prays to is the same God that I pray to. After all, we all came from Abraham. I believe in that universality." Obviously, George W. Bush is a universalist. His confession is not that of a Christian, but that of a universalist. Any true Christian knows that there is but one mediator between God and man: Christ Jesus. Any true Christian knows that Jesus is the incarnate God--the Creator-God become flesh. Any true Christian knows that Jesus and the Father are one. Any true Christian knows that there is salvation in no other name, no other god. Any true Christian knows that no one has access to God except through Jesus Christ. Any true Christian knows that there is no God other than Jesus: that Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead bodily. That is Christianity 101. With the above understanding and because President Bush claims to be a Christian, his statements should be regarded by Christians everywhere as an admission of apostasy and an attack upon the fundamental doctrine of Christ. Yet, there has been no reaction. No admonishments. No calls for repentance. No warnings to Christians to reject such heresy. No protestations whatsoever. Why? There is only one answer: the church itself is in a state of apostasy! I will say it plainly: today's pastors and Christians seem to display more loyalty and devotion to George W. Bush than they do to the Lord Jesus Christ. This stands in stark contrast to Christians throughout Church history. Has the reader ever wondered why the early Christians were persecuted by the Roman Empire? After all, the Roman Empire prided itself in being one of the most tolerant and pluralistic of all societies. People were free to worship any god they chose. There was complete freedom of religion throughout the Empire. An old maxim said that there were as many gods in Rome as there were people. Why, then, were Christians singled out for persecution? The reason Christians were persecuted while people of other beliefs were not was not because they worshipped Jesus Christ. Obviously, Jewish leaders persecuted the early Christians because of their hatred of Jesus, which was due to the fact that He claimed to be their Messiah and Savior--a claim they vehemently rejected. However, the Roman Empire's persecution of Christians was for an entirely different matter. Rome persecuted Christians because they believed that Jesus Christ was the ONLY God. Under Roman law, Caesar was a god, equal to any other god. Therefore, to be a good Roman, one had to worship Caesar. If one chose to worship another deity, it was fine. As long as he also bowed to Caesar. This was something the early Christians could not and would not do. You see, from the very beginning of Church history, Christians believed that Jesus Christ was not a way, He was THE way; not a truth, but THE truth; not a god, but THE God. And for this declaration, for this conviction, and for this belief, early Christians were persecuted, imprisoned, and fed to hungry lions. Yet today, the Church of Jesus Christ sits silent and still when the President of the United States, himself a professing Christian, publicly denies the central doctrine of Christ and embraces the pagan doctrine of universalism. Again, there is only one explanation: the Church is in a state of apostasy. Of course, as apostasy spreads throughout the country, the men of sin will increase in strength and number. They will aggressively seek to seduce and deceive the people--something they are already doing. Furthermore, our Lord already instructed us as to what would happen when such a condition occurs. He told us that when "the salt have lost his savour . . . it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men." (Matt. 5:13) No wonder Jesus asked the question, "Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8) Finding faith and truth in the midst of apostasy would seem to be the challenge for every true child of God these days. © 2007 Chuck Baldwin - All Rights Reserved
Pastor Chuck Baldwin's Video Sermons Page http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/sermonvideo.html
Comment: I must say its sad with whats happening with the gospel being turned into a social religion, thats just was one of things the communists said was needed to destroy "then" Christian America. And today we have a "universalist" as president...(I think its worse then that) who probably thinks he's being very bright about his claims...but....the worst thing is that most people don't even see that there is a problem.
 "...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Jesus...above every other name
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Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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1jester Pioneer100© Member  Pilgrim Sojourner
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Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega. All mouths will admit this truth on the final day.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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Robodoon wrote:
The One World Relgion of the Anti-Christ will embrace all faiths and teach that all roads lead to God. This is currently the teaching among many of the new religions today.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Robodoon wrote:  pagan doctrine of universalism? One World Religion of the Anti-Christ? You do realize that both of you are actually claiming that Jesus was a pagan, and an anti-Christ with these statements?
If that's not a vision of a future universal unity, I don't know what is. 
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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Amy wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Robodoon wrote:  That is not correct Amy once again. This is yet one more example of the twisted teaching of the Baha'i Faith. Jesus here was speaking to the Jews regarding the Gentiles coming into the fold. The Baha'i Doctrine teaches that all the major world faiths and teachings are inspired by the same God. This is False Doctrine at it highest level of deception. The Baha'i Faith and several other modern day belief systems preach this same deception of Universalism. Nothing against you personally Amy, but the more you come in to share the beliefs and expose the Baha'i... the more chilling it becomes to us.
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Amy Original500© Member ...going with the flow...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Amy wrote: How is that twisting?  imho you are the one doing the twisting...making assumptions...there is nothing in that verse that implies only Jews and Gentiles. Yes, He was speaking to the Jews, because that was His audience. But... "...there shall be one fold and one shepherd." In ignoring that statement...does that equate to 'taking away' from the scriptures?  He specifically says 'one'. Seems pretty universal to me. If that's chilling, then so be it.  btw: note, i am not referencing the Baha'i teachings here...I am basing this solely on Jesus' own words. Last edited on 05:03 pm by Amy |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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Amy wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Amy wrote: Bible references to the sheep, the fold, the church, the body of Christ and so on does not speak of a global Universalism of oneness as is the case with the doctrine of Baha'i. If you would like a bible study regarding this area Amy please request it and we can start a thread here regarding this specific area of study.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Amy wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:Amy wrote: Yes it does...I just showed you one example. If it doesn't fit inside the walls of the box you've put God in, perhaps you should try to knock those walls down and expand your vision a little. It's there in black and white (okay, in this instance it's blue and white above  ). Remember... 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. (King James Bible, Isaiah)
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bg Original500© Member 
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George Bush is a loving and wonderful Christian. You guys are just being too judgmental. Let us all just worship God and love everyone. Isn't that reasonable?
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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bg wrote: George Bush is a loving and wonderful Christian. YEAH! 
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bg wrote: George Bush is a loving and wonderful Christian. You guys are just being too judgmental. Let us all just worship God and love everyone. Isn't that reasonable? Then how do you explane this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY-0OMAqNqI&eurl=http://yourchristianpresident.com/SkullBones.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbC3_VCNvnU&eurl=http://yourchristianpresident.com/Religion.htm Get your head out of the sand and listen to Jesus's warnings.
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Robodoon Original500© Member God Fearing Patriot
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Robodoon wrote:Yep, I even read something the other day where the person was saying even the Founders of the USA believed all paths lead to God....oh what a load!
"...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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