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The topic of the Old Covenant has been covered in this thread:  http://www.24hourforums.com/view_topic.php?id=13294&forum_id=118 and I highly recommend reading and responding to it.  However, I felt this topic is of such importance that I have started another thread.


As we know, Jesus came to earth and died for our sins, so that we could have eternal life by believing in Him.  He was the perfect sacrifice, sinless and perfect in God's eyes.  His resurrection marked the ending of God's previous Covenant with His people, the Isrealites, and at the same time marked the beginning of His new Covenant with His people, all those who believe in Him.  This means that the Mosaic Law given to the Isrealites was completely done away with, and supplanted by God's law written in our hearts.



Jeremiah 31:31-32
"I will make a new covenant...NOT like to the covenant that I made with their fathers when I took them out of Egypt."

Promise =Eternal Life to all who believe (Jn 3:16)
Condition =Faith (Rom 3:21-28)
Sign =The Lord's Supper (I Cor 11:25, Luke 22:20, Mark 14:24)

The Bible declares that upon Jesus Christ's death and resurrection a new covenant was ratified. Romans makes it clear that under this new covenant we are:

 
Romans 7:1-6
"released from the law" v. 2 "dead to the law through the body of Christ" v. 4 "Delivered from the law" v. 6

Which law? verse 7 "...For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said 'Thou shall not covet." (Compare to Exodus 20:17 & I Tim. 1:6-11)


II Corinthians 3:1-18

Old Covenant
"on tables of stone" v. 3
"the letter kills" v. 6
"was glorious" v.7
"was passing away" v.14
"ministry of death and condemnation" v. 7,9
New Covenant
"on the heart" v. 3
"the Spirit gives life" v.6
"much more glorious" v. 11
"remains" v.11
"Ministry of righteousness" v.9


f the Old Covenant has been replaced by the New Covenant what about keeping the Commandments of God? as we read in Rev 12:17 and John 14:15?

I John 5:3
"For this is the love of God that we keep his commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome."

I John 3:22-24
"And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him."

Notice also in Acts 15:5 this was the very same question facing the new church. However in verses 28, 29 there is not mention of keeping the Sabbath. The only mention is in verse 21 and is speaking of those who preach Moses, not Christ. Christians were not holding the sign of the covenant of Moses any longer (Sabbath) nor were they keeping the sign of the Abrahamic covenant, circumcision. (Gal. 5:1-4).

Christians have a New Law


Now that we are in Christ we no longer live by the Old Covenant, the Ten Commandments. We have a new law, written on our hearts.

Galatians 6:2

"Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ

Galatians 5:13,14,18

"...but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word,even this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

John 13:34, 35

" A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another . By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."

Romans 13:10

"Love does no harm to a neighbor therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."

Colosians 2:16, 17

"Let no one judge you...regarding festival or new moon or Sabbaths which are a shadow of thing to come , but the substance is Christ "
Note: The LXX (Septuagint) translation of "Sabbaths" in Exodus 20:8 is the same as in Colosians 2:16.

Hebrews 3:17-4:11
Christ is the Sabbath rest. A new day, "Today" is the gospel rest. (Heb 4:7)

Matthew 11;28
"Come to Me...and I will give you rest...you will find rest for your souls."




But we are "Torah observant" in yet another sense. The New Testament is our guidebook and it not only contains all the basic elements of God's Law (the Ten Commandments), but acutely expands on them.

COMMANDMENT #1: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Ex 20:3)

New Testament: 1 Cor 6:9-10; 8:4-6; Rev 21:8

COMMANDMENT #2: "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,..."(Ex 20:4)

New Testament: Acts 17:29; Rom 1:23; I Cor 6:9-10; I John 5:21; Rev 21:8

COMMANDMENT #3: "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,..." (Ex 20:7)

New Testament: Matt 6:9; Luke 1:49; I Tim 6:1

COMMANDMENT #4: "Remember the sabbath day , to keep it holy" (Ex 20:8)

New Testament: There is a Sabbath-Rest (in Yeshua) for the people of God (Heb 4:1-16)

COMMANDMENT #5: "Honour thy father and thy mother..." (Ex 20:12)

New Testament: Matt 15:3-6

COMMANDMENT #6: "Thou shalt not kill" (Ex 20:13)

New Testament: Matt 5:21-22; Rom 13:9-10; Rev 21:8

COMMANDMENT #7: "Thou shalt not commit adultery" (Ex 20:14)

New Testament: Rom13:9-10; 1 Cor 6:9-10; Rev 21:8

COMMANDMENT #8: "Thou shalt not steal" (Ex 20:15)

New Testament: Rom 13:9-10; I Cor 6:9-10; Eph 4:28

COMMANDMENT #9 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neghbour" (Ex 20:16)

New Testament: Rom 13:9-10; Rev 21:8

COMMANDMENT #10: "Thou shalt not covet...." (Ex 20:17)

New Testament: Rom 13:9-10; I Cor 6:9-10

In this sense, then, the New Covenant (Berith Chadashah) is just as much "Torah" as the Old Covenant. The New Covenant is "the law of Christ" or literally, "the Torah of the Messiah" (Gal 6:2)

Is it heresy to suggest that the Messiah has the authority to give us a new Torah? No at all. After all, He is the one who gave the old one to Moses in the first place! There are many references in traditional Jewish sources to the Messiah changing certain aspects of Torah observance when He comes. For example, Leviticus Rabbah 9:7 (on Leviticus 7:11-12) speaks of the Temple sacrifices and prayers being discontinued when the Messiah comes. Ecclesaistes Rabbah (On Ecclesiastes 11:8) says, "The Torah which ones learns in this world 'is vanity' in comparison to the Torah of the Messiah". The New Testament definitely agrees! It contrast the Old and New Covenants showing the undisputed superiority of the New Covenant.

"All authority" in Heaven and earth belongs to Adonai Yeshua Hamashiach, the Lord Jesus Christ (Matt 28:18). Therefore, when His disciples reaped and threshed grain on the Sabbath- in violation of the Mishnah (Shabbat 7:2) where 39 categories of m'lakhah (work) are forbidden on Shabbat - Jesus could say He was the "Lord of the Sabbath" (Matt 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5). He gave them permission to pick and eat grain because His authority exceeded that of the Oral Law. He was and is the Living Torah, the Originator of the Sabbath and its Fulfillment!

The author of the Book of Hebrews says the very fact that the New Covenant (Jer 31) is called "new" implies that the "Old" (Mosaic) Covenant is now obsolete. In fact, this first-century writer of Hebrews says it was growing old even then and was about to vanish away (Heb 8:13), a possible prophetic reference to the destruction of the Temple in AD 70. Yeshua is the mediator of a "better" covenant (v 6) one based on Abraham's pre-Sinai relationship with God.

Does this mean the Old Testament is no longer profitable to us as New Testament believers? Not at all. In fact, Paul was referring to the Old Testament when he wrong, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction , for instruction in righteousness. (2 Tim 3:16) The only Bible they had at that time was the Old Testament.

Rather, it means the Old Testament is no longer an active covenant as it applies to the New Testament believers. After all, we cannot be under both covenants simultaneously, can we? If we are now under the New Covenant, then we are no longer under the Old Covenant. But that does not mean we cannot study and learn from the Old Testament. Indeed, God Himself never changes, so we should not be surprised to find that the underlying principles of the Old Covenant are carried into the New Covenant!







I recently found this extremely fascinating website, and would like to share it with you all.  I have taken the liberty to share the information in this thread.

 http://exadventist.com/Home/Covenants/Cross/tabid/446/Default.aspx
and
http://exadventist.com/Home/Covenants/Torah/tabid/447/Default.aspx




Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39

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1jester wrote: The topic of the Old Covenant has been covered in this thread:  http://www.24hourforums.com/view_topic.php?id=13294&forum_id=118 and I highly recommend reading and responding to it.  However, I felt this topic is of such importance that I have started another thread.


As we know, Jesus came to earth and died for our sins, so that we could have eternal life by believing in Him.  He was the perfect sacrifice, sinless and perfect in God's eyes.  His resurrection marked the ending of God's previous Covenant with His people, the Isrealites, and at the same time marked the beginning of His new Covenant with His people, all those who believe in Him.  This means that the Mosaic Law given to the Isrealites was completely done away with, and supplanted by God's law written in our hearts.



Jeremiah 31:31-32
"I will make a new covenant...NOT like to the covenant that I made with their fathers when I took them out of Egypt."


Promise =Eternal Life to all who believe (Jn 3:16)
Condition =Faith (Rom 3:21-28)
Sign =The Lord's Supper (I Cor 11:25, Luke 22:20, Mark 14:24)


The Bible declares that upon Jesus Christ's death and resurrection a new covenant was ratified. Romans makes it clear that under this new covenant we are:


 
Romans 7:1-6
"released from the law" v. 2 "dead to the law through the body of Christ" v. 4 "Delivered from the law" v. 6


Which law? verse 7 "...For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said 'Thou shall not covet." (Compare to Exodus 20:17 & I Tim. 1:6-11)



II Corinthians 3:1-18

Old Covenant
"on tables of stone" v. 3
"the letter kills" v. 6
"was glorious" v.7
"was passing away" v.14
"ministry of death and condemnation" v. 7,9
New Covenant
"on the heart" v. 3
"the Spirit gives life" v.6
"much more glorious" v. 11
"remains" v.11
"Ministry of righteousness" v.9



f the Old Covenant has been replaced by the New Covenant what about keeping the Commandments of God? as we read in Rev 12:17 and John 14:15?


I John 5:3
"For this is the love of God that we keep his commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome."


I John 3:22-24
"And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him."

Notice also in Acts 15:5 this was the very same question facing the new church. However in verses 28, 29 there is not mention of keeping the Sabbath. The only mention is in verse 21 and is speaking of those who preach Moses, not Christ. Christians were not holding the sign of the covenant of Moses any longer (Sabbath) nor were they keeping the sign of the Abrahamic covenant, circumcision. (Gal. 5:1-4).


Christians have a New Law




Now that we are in Christ we no longer live by the Old Covenant, the Ten Commandments. We have a new law, written on our hearts.



Galatians 6:2


"Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ


Galatians 5:13,14,18


"...but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word,even this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."


John 13:34, 35


" A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another . By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."


Romans 13:10


"Love does no harm to a neighbor therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."


Colosians 2:16, 17


"Let no one judge you...regarding festival or new moon or Sabbaths which are a shadow of thing to come , but the substance is Christ "
Note: The LXX (Septuagint) translation of "Sabbaths" in Exodus 20:8 is the same as in Colosians 2:16.


Hebrews 3:17-4:11
Christ is the Sabbath rest. A new day, "Today" is the gospel rest. (Heb 4:7)


Matthew 11;28
"Come to Me...and I will give you rest...you will find rest for your souls."





But we are "Torah observant" in yet another sense. The New Testament is our guidebook and it not only contains all the basic elements of God's Law (the Ten Commandments), but acutely expands on them.


COMMANDMENT #1: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Ex 20:3)


New Testament: 1 Cor 6:9-10; 8:4-6; Rev 21:8


COMMANDMENT #2: "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,..."(Ex 20:4)


New Testament: Acts 17:29; Rom 1:23; I Cor 6:9-10; I John 5:21; Rev 21:8


COMMANDMENT #3: "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,..." (Ex 20:7)


New Testament: Matt 6:9; Luke 1:49; I Tim 6:1


COMMANDMENT #4: "Remember the sabbath day , to keep it holy" (Ex 20:8)


New Testament: There is a Sabbath-Rest (in Yeshua) for the people of God (Heb 4:1-16)


COMMANDMENT #5: "Honour thy father and thy mother..." (Ex 20:12)


New Testament: Matt 15:3-6


COMMANDMENT #6: "Thou shalt not kill" (Ex 20:13)


New Testament: Matt 5:21-22; Rom 13:9-10; Rev 21:8


COMMANDMENT #7: "Thou shalt not commit adultery" (Ex 20:14)


New Testament: Rom13:9-10; 1 Cor 6:9-10; Rev 21:8


COMMANDMENT #8: "Thou shalt not steal" (Ex 20:15)


New Testament: Rom 13:9-10; I Cor 6:9-10; Eph 4:28


COMMANDMENT #9 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neghbour" (Ex 20:16)


New Testament: Rom 13:9-10; Rev 21:8


COMMANDMENT #10: "Thou shalt not covet...." (Ex 20:17)


New Testament: Rom 13:9-10; I Cor 6:9-10


In this sense, then, the New Covenant (Berith Chadashah) is just as much "Torah" as the Old Covenant. The New Covenant is "the law of Christ" or literally, "the Torah of the Messiah" (Gal 6:2)


Is it heresy to suggest that the Messiah has the authority to give us a new Torah? No at all. After all, He is the one who gave the old one to Moses in the first place! There are many references in traditional Jewish sources to the Messiah changing certain aspects of Torah observance when He comes. For example, Leviticus Rabbah 9:7 (on Leviticus 7:11-12) speaks of the Temple sacrifices and prayers being discontinued when the Messiah comes. Ecclesaistes Rabbah (On Ecclesiastes 11:8) says, "The Torah which ones learns in this world 'is vanity' in comparison to the Torah of the Messiah". The New Testament definitely agrees! It contrast the Old and New Covenants showing the undisputed superiority of the New Covenant.


"All authority" in Heaven and earth belongs to Adonai Yeshua Hamashiach, the Lord Jesus Christ (Matt 28:18). Therefore, when His disciples reaped and threshed grain on the Sabbath- in violation of the Mishnah (Shabbat 7:2) where 39 categories of m'lakhah (work) are forbidden on Shabbat - Jesus could say He was the "Lord of the Sabbath" (Matt 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5). He gave them permission to pick and eat grain because His authority exceeded that of the Oral Law. He was and is the Living Torah, the Originator of the Sabbath and its Fulfillment!


The author of the Book of Hebrews says the very fact that the New Covenant (Jer 31) is called "new" implies that the "Old" (Mosaic) Covenant is now obsolete. In fact, this first-century writer of Hebrews says it was growing old even then and was about to vanish away (Heb 8:13), a possible prophetic reference to the destruction of the Temple in AD 70. Yeshua is the mediator of a "better" covenant (v 6) one based on Abraham's pre-Sinai relationship with God.


Does this mean the Old Testament is no longer profitable to us as New Testament believers? Not at all. In fact, Paul was referring to the Old Testament when he wrong, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction , for instruction in righteousness. (2 Tim 3:16) The only Bible they had at that time was the Old Testament.


Rather, it means the Old Testament is no longer an active covenant as it applies to the New Testament believers. After all, we cannot be under both covenants simultaneously, can we? If we are now under the New Covenant, then we are no longer under the Old Covenant. But that does not mean we cannot study and learn from the Old Testament. Indeed, God Himself never changes, so we should not be surprised to find that the underlying principles of the Old Covenant are carried into the New Covenant!







I recently found this extremely fascinating website, and would like to share it with you all.  I have taken the liberty to share the information in this thread.

 http://exadventist.com/Home/Covenants/Cross/tabid/446/Default.aspx
and
http://exadventist.com/Home/Covenants/Torah/tabid/447/Default.aspx

 

I completely agree! The gentile who chooses to live by the law will also be judged by the law. And we know that by the requirements of the Mosaic Law no flesh will be justified in His sight. I choose to accept the righteousness of Christ in my place to be justified by faith in Him alone! ::peace::




Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."

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Yes, it is a fascinating revelation, isn't it? It is so freeing! Jesus our Lord put it to us simply: love God above all else and each other as we love ourselves. We no longer have to attempt to follow the Mosaic law, as it was too burdensome for all but Jesus. Nevertheless we are saved by our faith in Him. This is amazingly simple and yet so many would have us attempt to perform the impossible and be brought down by failure when the only real answer is our faith in our Saviour.




Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39

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1jester wrote: Yes, it is a fascinating revelation, isn't it? It is so freeing! Jesus our Lord put it to us simply: love God above all else and each other as we love ourselves. We no longer have to attempt to follow the Mosaic law, as it was too burdensome for all but Jesus. Nevertheless we are saved by our faith in Him. This is amazingly simple and yet so many would have us attempt to perform the impossible and be brought down by failure when the only real answer is our faith in our Saviour.

Amen!

 
Therefore, having been justified by faith :D, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 5:1-2
 




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