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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Jesus...above every other name
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 The Mosaic Law was never given to the Gentiles. Exodus chapters 19 & 20 Deuteronomy 4:1-14 Romans 2:14; 3:1-2 Galatians 2:1-14 Acts 14:26; 5:11 Jew and Gentile are now justified by faith IN CHRIST apart from the deeds of the Law. Romans 3:28 Galatians 2:16 THANK YOU JESUS! 
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member 
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
I heard that JBF.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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So muddawber, Why do you think some Gentiles do those things of the Law making it a Law unto themselves? For example: Some Gentiles will observe Sabbath Day Worship while condemning other Gentiles who choose Sunday the first day of the week for gathering together for worship?
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: So muddawber, Why do you think some Gentiles do those things of the Law making it a Law unto themselves? For example: Some Gentiles will observe Sabbath Day Worship while condemning other Gentiles who choose Sunday the first day of the week for gathering together for worship? You know, JBF, I just don't know, but those same ones follow a strict dietary code of the OT, also. The only thing I can think of is that they don't have a clear understanding of Paul's writings concerning those things. Something else, is what day was the sabbath. I can't find anywhere in the Bible that says it was Saturday. My NT tells me the disciples were worshipping on the first day of the week, the resurection day. We worship on Sunday to commerate the resurrection. And, I read that Jesus was the Lord of the Sabbath.
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1jester Pioneer100© Member  Pilgrim Sojourner
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I agree that the Mosaic code, including the 10 commandments, were given to the Israelites, and Christ's dying on the cross for us signaled a new covenant. I think the Sabbath day as set forth in the 4th commandment is of course sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, and hasn't changed. The Jews still observe the sabbath. Some Christians do too. I used to, until I came to the realization that the sabbath is one of the works that we needn't do to be saved. Sunday has never been considered a sabbath, but many Christians believe it has supplanted the sabbath day, which I don't believe to be true. The bible instructs us to not judge others even if one worships on one day and another on a different one, or if one chooses not to worship on any particular day. The bible does record how early Christians met on Sunday to celebrate Christ's rising, but I'm not convinced that this was meant to supplant the sabbath. Rather, as JBF mentioned, we are freed in Christ.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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1jester wrote: I agree that the Mosaic code, including the 10 commandments, were given to the Israelites, and Christ's dying on the cross for us signaled a new covenant. The way I see it, is that in Acts 20:7, is where the preaching of the Word was done on Sunday in the New Testament. It says, "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." Keep in mind, that evey mention of the sabbath in the NT, where the disciples went to the synagogues, they were preaching to the jews, who kept the sabbath, and were preaching to them Jesus Christ. They weren't preaching to Christians as I can tell. Some other things to take into consideration is, Sunday worship is to commemorate the resurrection, The Lord's manifestations to the disciples were on Sunday, Pentacost, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was on Sunday, and Christ or none of the apostles made mention of or commanded anyone to keep the old Jewish sabbath. There are other reasons, but I think you can get the picture from this. What does it matter anyway when you observe the Sabbath. Many people have to work on Saturday, or lose their jobs. So any day that they can observe sabbath and keep it holy, to me is in keeping with God's will.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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Excellent post 1jester! The sabbath has always been Saturday the last day of the week on the Jewish calender. Again, sabbath keeping is only part of the Mosaic Law and given to the Children of Israel (Jewish People). The sacrifices and ceremonial ordinances are also included. "Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’” Exodus 31:16-17
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Excellent post 1jester! The sabbath has always been Saturday the last day of the week on the Jewish calender. Again, sabbath keeping is only part of the Mosaic Law and given to the Children of Israel (Jewish People). The sacrifices and ceremonial ordinances are also included. This is true, but it was directed at the Children of Israel. Jesus said that he had not come to destroy the law and the prophets, but to fulfill them. Meaning that through his death, he fulfilled or ended the sacrifice and ceremonial ordinances. We no longer have to keep this practice. The only sacrifice we are to make, is to present ourselves as a living sacrifice. The only ordinance that I feel I have to adhere to is the baptism and communion. I belong to the Methodist Church, and I don't even observe lent.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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Amen muddawber... For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. Ephesians 2:14-17
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Amen muddawber... When that middle wall was broken down, that put us on equal footing with the Jews, where once we were seperated. With the tearing of the veil, it gave us direct access to God through Jesus Christ, doing away with the sacrifices and ordinances. It also made us Gentiles, no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the household of God, i.e., Children of Israel, and gave us the rights to the covenants and promises of God, if we accept Him who was crucified as the Son of God.
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AMEN AGAIN!
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The Apostle Paul wrote that the Mosaic Law in one respect was given to expose our sin, our inability to keep the law, and our need of a Savior. As Christians we are called to keep a higher law, the Law of the Spirit of Life BUT it is only through the power of the Holy Spirit living in us that we can walk and abide in obedience to that law. Even then we are only justified through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ. We have a positional righteousness as those who are in Christ which God is working to make dispositional in our life and character. Last edited on 04:31 am by pmh1nic |
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pmh1nic wrote: The Apostle Paul wrote that the Mosaic Law in one respect was given to expose our sin, our inability to keep the law, and our need of a Savior. Would you please explain that last sentence in laymans terms.
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The long process of being Sanctified. It's being conformed into the image of Christ. It's being daily crucified with Him. Being pruned by the Father while we remain in the vine.The branches of self and flesh being pruned and shortened / removed so we can bear spiritual fruit in our lives.
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muddawber "Would you please explain that last sentence in laymans terms." In the eyes of God our "position" is in Christ. God see us as righteous, fully sanctified and glorified. God sees the finished work. Dispositionally as we exist today in time our life, nature, character, thoughts and actions don't match what God sees from His eternal perspective. From our perspective as viewed in time we are in the process of santification and acquiring a "dispositional" righteousness and holiness. The Bible says we that are being transformed to be like Christ in life, nature and character. Someday the dispositional (who we are in life, nature and character) will match the positional (who we are as God sees us in Christ, as already being holy, righteous and pure). One finally note. Our dispositional righteousness can never earn us salvation. It is only through the continual forgiveness of God based in the sacrifice Jesus made for us on the cross that we are made right with God. That sacrifice and continual forgiveness makes it possible for us to continue in this process of transformation. I apologize for not being able to convey this as clearly as it probably could be. Last edited on 08:41 pm by pmh1nic |
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