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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > The Christian's Straight and Narrow Path > Can you give me one logical reason to believe God exists??? |
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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In other words, "just look around you." I remember a movie quote. Tony Randall playing "Dr, Lo" in "The Circus of Dr. Lo." He said, "Every time you pick up a handful of dirt, and see, not the dirt, but a miracle..." That's what everything around us is, a miracle.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Searching The Hearts Of Man
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Amen Saint! God's invisible attributes are clearly seen.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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“The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4)
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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1jester Pioneer100© Member  Pilgrim Sojourner
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I can see this is going to be a fun thread!  Dicky, what kind of plants do you deal? Just curious. Here's a quote you might appreciate: "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth." --Psalm 104:14
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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Saint wrote: Dickybetz wrote:Seriously. I'm curious. You might be getting a little earth-centric there, Saint. In our environment, intelligence is the greatest survival factor. That's not necessarily true across the universe, and it's not even clear that it's necessarily true for all of Earth's history. (Dinosaurs weren't exactly intelligent animals, but they got along just fine for millions of years, which is probably a lot better than we'll end up doing.) You also seem to be arguing from the anthropic principle. All of the things you cite are (apparently) necessary for the universe as we know it to exist, but that's not to say that if you play with the variables a bit (and there are a lot of variables), you couldn't come up with some other variation of a universe that leads to life. And then there's the other question: What's so special about us? The fact that we exist makes us feel special, but that doesn't mean we are. We could be the results of a cosmic broken condom, for all we know -- completely unintentional.
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Polymath
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We could be the results of a cosmic broken condom, for all we know -- completely unintentional. You're killin' me, dude.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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Brian wrote: We could be the results of a cosmic broken condom, for all we know -- completely unintentional. Brian...    
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Brian wrote:We could be the results of a cosmic broken condom, for all we know -- completely unintentional. What I meant by that was, our existence is not demonstrably intentional just because we exist in this narrow set of circumstances. It's just as likely that we are an unintended consequence of this narrow set of circumstances, and that if not for this set of circumstances, some other lifeform would exist, or none at all, and the universe wouldn't care one whit. That's what I meant by that comment: The universe developed a certain way, and we're a consequence of that development, but not necessarily an intended consequence.
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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Brian wrote: The universe developed a certain way, and we're a consequence of that development, but not necessarily an intended consequence. JBF says, "Wow!! ...after quoting Romans 1:20 on numerous threads I see what the Spirit was saying.
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Saint "Scientists have proven that where the conditions are right, life will begin." Scientist have NOT proven that where the conditions are right, life will begin. The conditions for life exist on Earth. Life exist on Earth BUT there is no hard scientific evidence that raises the level of certainty above the level speculation that we can conclude from this that life will just being given these conditions. Last edited on 03:08 am by pmh1nic |
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Brian wrote: The universe developed a certain way, and we're a consequence of that development, but not necessarily an intended consequence. Hi, JBF. I think we're talking at cross purposes again. I don't mean to say that it's impossible that we are an intended consequence. I just mean to say that it's not absolutely certain that we are. All we can say for certain is that the right conditions exist for humans to exist, and that there are many other conditions under which we couldn't exist. But the existence of these conditions isn't proof in itself. If you have a 100-sided die, and you roll a 95, is that a miracle? (Feel free to increase the numbers by whatever factor you choose. The results are the same.) Edited to Add: I think the best argument for God is probably near-death experiences. With those, you at least have first-hand accounts of what may lie beyond death's door. (I say "may" because while the phenomena are very real for those experiencing them, it's not clear that the people experiencing them are actually dead, rather than in some state that we can't technologically distinguish from death yet.)
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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Dickybetz wrote: Seriously. I'm curious.Dear friend, In a phrase: The Null Hypothesis Free.man
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Can you give me one logical reason to believe God exists??? Yes. Because you do. What more proof is necessary?
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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RedGlitter wrote: Can you give me one logical reason to believe God exists??? In a concrete sense, we're all products of biological processes. We can argue about where we're descended from, and ancestry and all that, but in a literal sense, we came from our mothers. There's nothing supernatural about that. If you're talking about humanity in general, then that's a larger argument.
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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Brian wrote: RedGlitter wrote:Hi.Can you give me one logical reason to believe God exists??? Well actually what I had in mind and will probably be poor in explaining, is that the mere fact that we exist is proof enough (for me) that there is God. Of course you're right about being products of biology, yet I feel it was Something Bigger Than Us who created science, and all life forms. I realize this is only one of those discussions where nobody can prove God exists, so I'm only putting in my two cents as I see it, not trying to step on anybody else's beliefs. Reading now, I see my reply looked a little flippant which was not my goal. Just that I think existence is a pretty miraculous thing, and I can attribute it to nothing else but God.
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