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Can you give me one logical reason to believe God exists???

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If you are walking through the woods and see a leather belt laying on the ground there will not be a doubt in your mind that it had a creator.

You find a cardboard box on top of the highest most primitive mountain in the world and without question you know it was created.

A piece of firewood sliced and ready for a fireplace found in the middle of a desert, a watch found in the middle of a field and just about anything else had to be created, you don't require proof.

Even though there is no way that a leather belt could just happen nor a cardboard box evolve into a cardboard box from something else or the firewood split itself and this is known without the need to even be told...

The human body with it's thousands of miles of blood veins and miles of intestines all placed into a body the size of yours along with a heart (that works by itself) and many other organs could not have been created?

This universe with it's unknown limits and boundaries, billions and trillions of stars and planets, all rotating around a single point in what appears to be harmony and logic and this just happened?

I can't give you any proof but I can tell you where to find it. It is found in faith. Faith isn't scientific but it is the instrument used to find the proof of the existence of God. Those who have used their faith and found the proof they need will understand what is said above. Those that don't use their faith for proof will still want proof without lifting a finger, including stepping out in faith.

If you really and truly want proof, try looking in faith. Chances are proof is given to you each and every day. You just don't know what to look for or where to look.
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david1080 wrote: If you are walking through the woods and see a leather belt laying on the ground there will not be a doubt in your mind that it had a creator.

You find a cardboard box on top of the highest most primitive mountain in the world and without question you know it was created.

A piece of firewood sliced and ready for a fireplace found in the middle of a desert, a watch found in the middle of a field and just about anything else had to be created, you don't require proof.

Even though there is no way that a leather belt could just happen nor a cardboard box evolve into a cardboard box from something else or the firewood split itself and this is known without the need to even be told...

The human body with it's thousands of miles of blood veins and miles of intestines all placed into a body the size of yours along with a heart (that works by itself) and many other organs could not have been created?

This universe with it's unknown limits and boundaries, billions and trillions of stars and planets, all rotating around a single point in what appears to be harmony and logic and this just happened?

I can't give you any proof but I can tell you where to find it. It is found in faith. Faith isn't scientific but it is the instrument used to find the proof of the existence of God. Those who have used their faith and found the proof they need will understand what is said above. Those that don't use their faith for proof will still want proof without lifting a finger, including stepping out in faith.

If you really and truly want proof, try looking in faith. Chances are proof is given to you each and every day. You just don't know what to look for or where to look.
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The intricasies and interconnectedness of all life is too amazingly perfect to be simply random.  :heartbeat:
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Amy wrote: The intricasies and interconnectedness of all life is too amazingly perfect to be simply random.  :heartbeat:
From the other side of the fence they yell...

"Life is too complex to have been created" :lmao:
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david1080 wrote: Amy wrote: The intricasies and interconnectedness of all life is too amazingly perfect to be simply random.  :heartbeat:
From the other side of the fence they yell...

"Life is too complex to have been created" :lmao:
Life certainly isn't "too complex to have been created".  By definition, there's no such thing as "too complex" for an omnipotent being.

There's a problem with your analogy, though.  If you see a watch in the desert, you know it was man-made not because it's very complex, but rather, because you know watches are man-made objects.  The truth is, if you find a very complex object in nature, and you don't know how it's made, you're no more justified in saying that a supernatural being created it than you are saying that your next door neighbor did.  Objects are formed in all different kinds of ways, and some of those objects are complex.  Pour the right elements in the right proportion into a vial, and they'll form very complex structures.  That doesn't make them divinely inspired, though.   All that's necessary for the reaction to take place is the right chemicals in the right proportions in the right proximity. 

In a broader sense, the problem with this kind of thinking is that it's anti-science, in a certain way.  "God did it" short-circuits scientific inquiry.  If you stick with the belief that thunder is caused by the gods fighting (or by God's anger, for that matter) you never discover the reality of the situation.  It's a way of throwing up your hands and saying, "I don't want to go any further.  I give up."

When Newton, Descartes and Pascal approached science, they did it with the attitude of, "I want to read the mind of God, and see the beauty of the universe".   They let their calculations tell them about God's universe, rather than letting the Bible dictate what the calculations "should" be.  That's how they squared their Christianity with their science:  They assumed that the data they were finding was the data that God meant them to find. 

There's no conflict between religion and science, if you understand that they were meant to address two different questions.




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There's no conflict between religion and science, if you understand that they were meant to address two different questions.

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Brian wrote: david1080 wrote: Amy wrote: The intricasies and interconnectedness of all life is too amazingly perfect to be simply random.  :heartbeat:
From the other side of the fence they yell...

"Life is too complex to have been created" :lmao:
Life certainly isn't "too complex to have been created".  By definition, there's no such thing as "too complex" for an omnipotent being.

There's a problem with your analogy, though.  If you see a watch in the desert, you know it was man-made not because it's very complex, but rather, because you know watches are man-made objects.  The truth is, if you find a very complex object in nature, and you don't know how it's made, you're no more justified in saying that a supernatural being created it than you are saying that your next door neighbor did.  Objects are formed in all different kinds of ways, and some of those objects are complex.  Pour the right elements in the right proportion into a vial, and they'll form very complex structures.  That doesn't make them divinely inspired, though.   All that's necessary for the reaction to take place is the right chemicals in the right proportions in the right proximity. 

In a broader sense, the problem with this kind of thinking is that it's anti-science, in a certain way.  "God did it" short-circuits scientific inquiry.  If you stick with the belief that thunder is caused by the gods fighting (or by God's anger, for that matter) you never discover the reality of the situation.  It's a way of throwing up your hands and saying, "I don't want to go any further.  I give up."

When Newton, Descartes and Pascal approached science, they did it with the attitude of, "I want to read the mind of God, and see the beauty of the universe".   They let their calculations tell them about God's universe, rather than letting the Bible dictate what the calculations "should" be.  That's how they squared their Christianity with their science:  They assumed that the data they were finding was the data that God meant them to find. 

There's no conflict between religion and science, if you understand that they were meant to address two different questions.


I know life is not too complex for God, in fact the complexity of life is a firm indicator that a supreme being was involved. That is why I said the people on the other side of the fence are saying that.

This was just an observasion for crying out loud. I never mentioned science, thought about science nor do I involve science in my thoughts about most things in life. If I happen to be anti-science that's ok because I am not a scientist and do not influence scientific research is this world a single bit. There is nothing at all wrong with me saying God did it because regardless of how it happened, He was in control. The methods God used can be figured out by someone else.

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