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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Searching The Hearts Of Man
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Note: Let's try to season our conversations together here with salt. This is the ONLY forum in which we can grow and build one another. We are to edify (build-up, encourage one another). Rebuke and admonishments that have not love do not edify. JBF
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seekeroftruth Original500© Member
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Are you saying we should be positive and stay away from the parts of the bible/subjects that may be controversial? Remember the bibles says many will be decieved. Should we just not address that part becasue it's to dividing?
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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We must discern all things... yet with the end result in mind to be the edification of one another. Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Galatians 6:1-3
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yes we must have a spirt of gentleness so are you saying i'm not being gental? you did not asnswer my question. i would like to know if christians should say away from controversial topis? that was may question. Last edited on 05:27 pm by seekeroftruth |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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seekeroftruth, Your fruit since you have entered has yet to be edifying. Yet, with that said...there is no reason to avoid controversial topics as you eagerly desire. But the manner must be in love because without love, and the purpose of unity, it becomes as sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: seekeroftruth, Wow! What a statement of judgment. How do you know if I'm not asking questions out of love or not? You have repeatedly judge my sprit just because I've asked questions yet you are the one saying hurtful things to me. Not only that but you are giving me bible verses as if I was sinning by asking questions. You've never answered any of my questions. All you do is tell me that I'm not edifying and throw scriptures at me. I could do that same to you but I'm not here to condemn you just to ask questions because we are to search out a matter. I can't find the verse that says only search out matters that are not confrontational. I just want you to know that I have no hard feelings towards you. I forgive you for your condemnation. I know that one day you will understand why I’m asking the questions I’m asking. I too was once where you are.
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seekeroftruth wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:seekeroftruth, Not really seekeroftruth. So far it appears that you are not interested in the wishes or concerns of myself or 1jester who have spoken to you privately. I am concerned about the direction you have taken so far in this forum. I will not participate in back and forth debating or arguments in this particular forum that lead not to edification. When you decide to communicate here instead of bringing division and contention... I will look forward to conversations with you. 
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seekeroftruth wrote: pmh1nic I’ve read lots of what you wrote on this site and I have no doubt that you are a genuine God loving man. The reason I’m opening up this discussion is because I believe that we as Christians need to ask questions and “search out a matter” like the bible says. We can all be tricked the bible is full of warnings about this. You love your grandkids and if anyone of them has to go to war and maybe lose their lives it must be a Just War. I’m sure you would agree with that right. So then we need to dig, search, look at both sides and also scripture before we sanction going to war or sending our children to war. please read this and tell me is I seem mean or harsh or judgemental or non edifying.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: seekeroftruth wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:seekeroftruth, please be specific and if any body else see anything specific in regards to me being contentious please point them out.
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seekeroftruth wrote: Seeker: "IF he is a pretender then to listen to his speeches will only confuse you further." Do you think the last paragraph of that I wrote is edifying?? Could you please read this and point out the parts that you did not like or you thought were not edifying. Thanks
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Note: Why do you keep sending me these messages?? I need you to show me where I was not editing.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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Many of us debate and argue for Christ on other forums. This is a place to encourage one another. To step back and seek God's direction for our lives. To share and build one another up. I don't think you or anyone else here wishes to engage in an environment of finger pointing of other Christians or taking our focus off Christ. Divisions and contentions among us can be like a cancer. Let's ALL relax. Let's ALL read the Introduction to this forum again. Let's ALL find the common ground in the faith. Rest in Christ, and then get back together here in a Christ-like manner. Fair enough?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Many of us debate and argue for Christ on other forums. This is a place to encourage one another. To step back and seek God's direction for our lives. To share and build one another up. I don't think you or anyone else here wishes to engage in an environment of finger pointing of other Christians or taking our focus off Christ. Divisions and contentions among us can be like a cancer. I think that as long as you're doing the debating it's okay but if anyone has a different angle on things you have a problem with it. I've gone through the topics you and 1jester have started and if you are saying not to start topics that are up for debate then you are definitely not following your own rules. Only God knows hearts but I'm smelling a spirit of pride. Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Attached Image (viewed 9 times):
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gettin a bit heated in here, folks.
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"Seeker: So what you are saying is that you shell know them (their fruits) by what they say, is that what you are saying?? So if you are a con man and your goal is to trick people out of their money, all people need to do is listen to what you say and they will discover that you are a con?? What does a deceiver do?? Don’t they tell lies??? Would’ent their speech be full of lies?? Full of things that sound good?? Is this really what you’re saying “listen to what they say and you won’t be deceived?? I think that’s very naive." Knowing someone in part requires that you listen to what they say rather then listening to others characterizations of what they said, or sound bites of what they said taken out of context. Once you have REALLY listened to what they have said you check what they've said against known facts or what is believed to be the facts at the time they made the statements. The idea that the President "lied" about Saddam's WMD's is just plain ridiculous to anyone that actually LISTENED to what HE SAID and knows the facts, circumstances and context in which those statements were made. "Seeker: I did and you and others can read it again below. We went into Iraq because of alleged weapons violations which turned out to be false." Exactly "turned out to be false". But at the time those allegations were made just about everyone on the planet thought they were true, including some in Saddam's regime and intelligence services in countries neighboring Iraq. "http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/11/08/resolution.text/index.html" This is NOT the resolution I mentioned that was voted on by the U.S. Congress but it does highlight some of the justifications for removing Saddam from power including numerous violations of U.N. sanctions and the 1991 surrender agreement. The Congressional resolution can be found here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html "Check out what former UN inspector Scott Ritter had to say about the alleged weapons of mass destruction." I've read the report by the Iraq Survey Group and we've already discussed the bad intelligence regarding Saddam's WMD's. That being a given I would still argue that what we believed at the time in addition to the justifications based on Saddam's violations of the 1991 surrender agreement and human rights violation justified his removal. "Seeker: The bible says: WE must first take out the log in our own eye before we take out the speck in others. America is killing millions of babies every year. This is wrong! We are also teaching our children that they come form apes in our schools. We teach kids that they are causing Global warming and on and on who are we to bring justice to Iraq?? " I am well aware of some of the shortcomings and serious problems that exist within our society and government BUT that doesn't mean that we should sit idly by while our security and economic interest are being threaten. We should be working to remedy both the internal and external problems. "Seeker: There is no question that Saddam’s regime was evil but so are all the other regimes. Look at Sadie Arabia, Bush just gave them 20 billion dollars for weapons." I don't accept the argument that if you can't do something about every bad situation that you should do nothing about any of them. The U.S. has limited resources and there isn't a one size fits all solution to these problems. In addressing these problems there are going to be setbacks. An unfortunate consequence of war is that innocent people suffer. That is true in every war that men have fought.
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