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seekeroftruth Original500© Member
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Do y ou think Gerorge is a Christian or just a pretender??
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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Are you asking if Bush sincerely believes in the brand of Christianity he espouses? Or are you asking if Bush is a believer and follower in Christ's teachings? I think there's a difference. I think Bush is probably a sincere evangelical Christian. (Otherwise, I can't imagine why some of the things he's said would possibly come out of his mouth.) On the other hand, I think there's a lot of room between the brand of Christianity he holds and what Christ actually taught. (There's a certain dogmatism that overrides compassion in some of the beliefs he apparently espouses.)
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Based on what I've read (primarily the book "The Faith of George W. Bush") he is a Christian.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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I'd say ...no. and here's why: I once worked for a gas station manager who routinely lied, cheated, and stole from the customers. This guy had every scam you can think of going. From short-sticking their oil, to watering the anti-freeze, to recommending unecessary work, to overcharging hours he was a wall-to-wall criminal. But he said he was a "Christian" and he went to church regularly as well as giving large donations to the TV preachers. (Swaggart? I can't remember which one, but it was a real idiot.) I didn't consider him a Christian any more than I consider one of those fly-by-night TV preachers because he did not even make an effort to try to follow Jesus' teachings. Trying and failing is one thing. God understands that we are not perfect and will forgive us if we believe and ask. But living an evil life, trying to buy your way into heaven, and then trying to repent as the last second before you die is not what Jesus was talking about. That is the opposite of Christian.
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seekeroftruth Original500© Member
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What do think of his answer to this question?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY-0OMAqNqI&eurl=http://www.yourchristianpresident.com/SkullBones.htm
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seekeroftruth Original500© Member
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what do you think?? Is Bush right? Do non-Christians go to heaven or is Jesus the Way the truth and the light as the bibles says? Bush admits that in his version of Christianity, non-Christians can go to heaven! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8GoF9SLas&eurl=http://www.yourchristianpresident.com/Religion.htm Bush: All religions pray to 'same God' 07 October 2007 http://www.yourchristianpresident.com/Assets/Religion/Articles_2007/All%20religions%20pray%20to%20same%20God.htm
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Saint wrote: I'd say ...no. and here's why: I'll have to say that you make a lot of since here. I think the bible talks about sheep in wolfs clothing. Pretenders. Could Bush be one of them?? How can we know??
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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What is a lie? It's knowing telling a falsehood. President Bush may have been wrong about somethings, he may have believed some things that turned out to be untrue but I haven't seen any evidence that he knowing repeated things he knew were not true.
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seekeroftruth Original500© Member
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Do you think that the following clips of Bush cought in lies are justified? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSBgGXoNgrQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7xyd_IRgGs&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y2T7u8yxRE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sulDYYAiCU&feature=related
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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After nearly eight years of this I normally don't waste my time reading or listening to this "stuff". But I took a chance an gave a listen. My mistake. If this is the best you've got don't bother.
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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Someone more proficient in the Bible can probably cite the quotation for me, but I'm pretty sure that somewhere in there it says that only God knows the hearts of men. One can certainly guess whether or not Bush is a Christian, but that's all it really is -- a guess. Even someone who sins over and over again, ceaselessly, still might be a Christian -- even if their life isn't the best example of one. I would at this point stipulate that at the least, Bush isn't a good example of a Christian, from what I can tell.
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seekeroftruth Original500© Member
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pmh1nic wrote: After nearly eight years of this I normally don't waste my time reading or listening to this "stuff". But I took a chance an gave a listen. My mistake. What part did you not like?? I gave examples of Bush's own words. Did you even listen to all of it?? Bush is not a God!!!!!! Why do some Christians that that he is?? You say that you normally don't read anything that is negative against Bush, Why is that?? Do you know what a Barean is?? Are you one?? If not why??
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Brian wrote: Someone more proficient in the Bible can probably cite the quotation for me, but I'm pretty sure that somewhere in there it says that only God knows the hearts of men. One can certainly guess whether or not Bush is a Christian, but that's all it really is -- a guess. Even someone who sins over and over again, ceaselessly, still might be a Christian -- even if their life isn't the best example of one. the bible says you will know them by their fruit.
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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"What part did you not like?? I gave examples of Bush's own words." The President is under no obligation to tell the press what his intentions are regarding appointment or dismissal of Cabinet members, especially before an election when that disclosure can influence the election. Even a "no comment" would have been interpreted by the media as "Bush is about to dump Rumsfled". As for the WMD issue, this has been rehashed over and over again with respect to the bad intelligence he as well as others (both Democrats and Republicans) received regarding Iraq's WMD programs. You can find quotes from both Clintons, Kerry, Gore and many others on both sides of the political aisle which basically conveyed the same warnings about Saddam's WMD programs as those things said by President Bush, . "Did you even listen to all of it??" Yes, I've been listening to the same garbage for the last eight years. "Bush is not a God!!!!!!" Never claimed he was. "Why do some Christians that that he is??" Not this one. "You say that you normally don't read anything that is negative against Bush, Why is that??" That's NOT what I said. I said that AFTER "nearly eight years of this I normally don't waste my time reading or listening to this "stuff"." "Do you know what a Barean is??" I have been diligently searching the scriptures for over 35 years. In addition I actually try to listen to or read the President's speeches in there entirety (rather then the sound bites and characterizations of what he says spewed out by the media). I've read seven or eight books related to his Presidency with a focus on the war in Iraq and the war against terrorism in general. "the bible says you will know them by their fruit" Unfortunately you only THINK you know his "fruits" but my guess is that "knowing" is based on the twist reporting you get from the mainstream media.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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seekeroftruth wrote: Do y ou think Gerorge is a Christian or just a pretender?? In my opinion Bush or his "people" were smart enough to know how to get him elected! If there was even a slight chance he actually thought he was a Christian, he doesn't make a Christians choices. True, just because you're Christian doesn't mean you're doing everything right! We are after all, human! However, the choices bush makes don't line up with choices a Christian would make, never mind the life he's lived in general. Bush is and has been pushing for this New World Order. I'm not sure why a real Christian would be thinking this way? His greed with the oil cartel, could still come under the guise of being a Christian gone bad. The NWO is something all together different as far as I see it. The Bible warns us about this and pretty much tells us what it's all about!..............the question I'm asking is, do Christians want this? I don't think so, we've been warned against it.......
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