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 Posted: 05-22-2008 12:39 am

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Saint wrote: I believe agnostic/atheist are people of much faith.

By definition, people who can't believe in the intangible like agnostics and atheists can't have faith.

Well I'll have to disagree with you on that.  Here is the defination of faith


 



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1faith [url=javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?faith001.wav=faith')][/url]
Pronunciation:
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noun
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plural faiths [url=javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?faith002.wav=faiths')][/url] \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
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Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust — more at bide
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1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
 
it would fall under 2b: firm belief in something for which there is no proof of.

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 Posted: 05-22-2008 04:07 am

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Brian wrote: Popeyesays wrote: It seems to me that atheists are often just as 'charismatic' and 'proselytizing' as any group of believers in God.

When one comes down to it believing there is NO God is just as much based in faith as opposed to reason as any religious group seeking new members.

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That depends on how you're defining "God", and what you'd accept as evidence, doesn't it?


Sound logic does not require what is thought of as physical evidence. Logic requires an assumption, an extrapolation and a conclusion.

 

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 Posted: 05-22-2008 04:19 am

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Brian,

I know the differences the world labels place between agnostics and atheists. My quote to you from God's word was regarding your comment that both can't be lumped into the same camp. Yet, according to the bible, God has revealed His invisible attributes to both of them. Therefore, according to the bible they are in the same camp.




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 Posted: 05-22-2008 04:51 am

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Brian,

I know the differences the world labels place between agnostics and atheists. My quote to you from God's word was regarding your comment that both can't be lumped into the same camp. Yet, according to the bible, God has revealed His invisible attributes to both of them. Therefore, according to the bible they are in the same camp.
Yes, JBF.  You and I agree that the Bible doesn't make the distinction.  My only point was that for purposes of reaching them, different approaches are probably required.  If you quote to an agnostic,  "The fool says in his heart there is no God", or otherwise make the argument that they're just being stubborn, you're just going to alienate the agnostic.  It's ridiculously counter-productive.  An agnostic is someone waiting to be convinced, one way or the other.

If I may:  One way to start with such a person might be to ask them, "Where did the universe come from?"  That's something that science can't even begin to have a theory to answer.  The best theory we have, the Big Bang, still leads to the question:  What caused the Big Bang, and what caused what caused the Big Bang?  That's what keeps me from being a hard atheist, who says "There is no God", rather than someone who says, "I don't believe in God."




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 Posted: 05-26-2008 10:32 pm

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Brian wrote: Popeyesays wrote: It seems to me that atheists are often just as 'charismatic' and 'proselytizing' as any group of believers in God.

When one comes down to it believing there is NO God is just as much based in faith as opposed to reason as any religious group seeking new members.

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That depends on how you're defining "God", and what you'd accept as evidence, doesn't it?

so brian, how do you believe you got here?
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 Posted: 05-26-2008 10:37 pm

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Or the better question is how you believe everything started? You’re a smart man and you know that it was not God so tell us Christians who still believe in a creator how it all started. Only facts supported by science please no faith.

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 Posted: 07-20-2008 05:02 pm

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There have been hundreds of "gods" since the beginning of man.
Everyone here is an Atheist outside of the single God they personally believe in.

In other words, a true Atheist is only one God away from you in non-belief.

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