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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Jesus...above every other name
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"For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears." Acts 20:29-31 -Apostle Paul These wolves are looking for those of us who "have itching ears" and they will deceive by "smooth words and flattering speech." They speak great swelling words of emptiness. They speak persuasive words yet have wells with no water. They first come in to divide and then to deceive. Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. WATCH FOR THE WOLVES CHURCH! JBF
 Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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seekeroftruth Original500© Member
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perverse 2 entries found. Per·verse 1 a: turned away from what is right or good : corrupt b: improper, incorrect c: contrary to the evidence or the direction of the judge on a point of law 2 a: obstinate in opposing what is right, reasonable, or accepted : wrongheaded b: arising from or indicative of stubbornness or obstinacy Asking questions about a person who is in a position of power is not being perverse. Christians must ask questions! IF you hire someone to watch your kids do you ask questions? Do you do a background check? WE must watch for the wolves that means instead of just going with the crowed we do background checks. WE look at what our leaders do, who they associates with, and then make judgments based on that information. Would you agree with that??
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1jester Pioneer100© Member  Pilgrim Sojourner
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I believe Paul is referring here to members of the church (read, "among you"). Seeker, why are you so upset about Bush anyway (see 4-5 other threads you've started or responded to in the last 48 hours)? More importantly, why should what he does make any difference to you? Do you reserve the same level of vitriol, contempt and loathing for other members of government? Aren't we promised and given the protection of angels and the guidance of the Holy Spirit? Isn't that enough for you? Are you not content? Do you think your life or the lives of others will be somehow drastically improved by incessantly "outing" the sins of Bush? Do you think we are not aware of his inadequacies? Do you feel that Christians are better served by bitter contention? Do you feel that just because we choose to not dwell on the evil actions of our politicians in this forum that we are in imminent danger of ourselves falling prey to Satan's vices and wiles? Please consider what I'm saying.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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seekeroftruth Original500© Member
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1jester wrote: I believe Paul is referring here to members of the church (read, "among you"). While I’m working on my reply, I have something I’d like for you to do. Pretend you just went through a time tunnel and it’s the 30’s and you’re living in Germany. Reread what you just wrote and substitute Bush’s name with Hitler. Let me know if you would still ask the same questions. If so then I’d like to know what brand of Christian you are. Seeker, why are you so upset about Hitler anyway (see 4-5 other threads you've started or responded to in the last 48 hours)? More importantly, why should what Hitler does make any difference to you? Do you reserve the same level of vitriol, contempt and loathing for other members of government? Aren't we promised and given the protection of angels and the guidance of the Holy Spirit? Isn't that enough for you? Are you not content? Do you think your life or the lives of others will be somehow drastically improved by incessantly "outing" the sins of Hitler? Do you think we are not aware of Hitler’s inadequacies? Do you feel that Christians are better served by bitter contention? Do you feel that just because we choose to not dwell on the evil actions of our Hitler in this forum that we are in imminent danger of ourselves falling prey to Hitler/Satan's vices and wiles?
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seekeroftruth Original500© Member
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How do you watch for the wolves if they are disguised in sheep’s clothes? Does anyone have any good suggestions on how to tell if someone is a wolf or a sheep? Ezekiel 22:27 "Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. Matthew 24:11 "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. Matthew 24:24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Mark 13:22 for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect. Luke 6:26 "Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for their fathers used to treat the false prophets in the same way. John 10:12 "He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. Acts 13:6 When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, Acts 20:29 "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. Revelation 16:13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; Revelation 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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Discernment. Over time, they will eventually reveal their true colors and intentions. Look for the fruit of the spirit. Love, patience, gentleness, kindness etc. Do they follow and teach the doctrine once delivered to the saints by the apostles and prophets? Do they preach something new that tickles ones ears?
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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1jester wrote: I believe Paul is referring here to members of the church (read, "among you"). 1Jester: Seeker, why are you so upset about Bush anyway (see 4-5 other threads you've started or responded to in the last 48 hours)? Seeker: I’m upset because he has lead America into a war that has killed innocent man woman and children all under false pretences. I care about all that have lost their lives. Every person on this planet is precious to God even Moslems. 1jester: More importantly, why should what he does make any difference to you? Seeker: You ask why should I care what he does?? Don’t you think you should start caring too? That’s what’s wrong with the Church, they don’t care anymore and they don’t understand why others do so they label them with names like conspiracy theorist. The Christians are sleeping waiting to be beamed up, not acting and resisting Satan’s schemes. They are good and throwing verses around but as a whole they are apathetic. Jesus says if you are lukewarm “I will spit you out of my mouth” If you are part of God's vomit then you are like God's people of long ago---"These people come near Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. Their worship of Me is made up only of rules taught by men" (Isaiah 29:13). They sing songs to the Lord that they really don't mean. "All to Jesus, I surrender, I surrender all." "Lord, lift me up on higher ground." I worship you, Lord, I worship you." Singing lies to God is still lying! Jesus said to the Christians at Laodicea, "You do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. These are strong and offensive words from our Lord to those Christians. Jesus said He was about to vomit them out of His mouth. 1jester: Do you reserve the same level of vitriol, contempt and loathing for other members of government? Seeker: To you maybe holding our leaders feet to the fire and asking hard questions may be misconstrued as loathing, contemptuous, bitter, sarcastic, hateful, scornful, hurtful, cruel, or malicious (what you have called me for asking questions regarding Bush) but to me it’s what I’m called to do as a Christian. I go by what my Lord commands not by what others think. 1jester: Aren't we promised and given the protection of angels and the guidance of the Holy Spirit? Seeker: Yes we are, but if we have the protection of angels don’t you think we have the power to fight evil? The protection of angels is why I’m not afraid to confront evil. That is exactly why I can! 1jester: Isn't that enough for you? Seeker: No because he is protecting me so I can battle against Satans schemes. Why else would I need protection?? If I’m staying safe in my holy huddle then I’m lukewarm and we already went over that. 1jester: Are you not content? Seeker: I’m content when I obey God’s word. Being watchful is doing just that. 1jester: Do you think your life or the lives of others will be somehow drastically improved by incessantly "outing" the sins of Bush? Seeker: Absolutely!! If everyone in America was as watchful as me I do think that life in America would be drastically improved, especially the solders who are committing suicide at an alarming rate. 1jester: Do you think we are not aware of his inadequacies? Seeker: I don’t know with the questions you’re asking I have my doubts. 1jester: Do you feel that Christians are better served by bitter contention? Seeker: No not at all. Christians should be on guard and expose to the works of darkness. They are going to be misunderstood but that should not detour them. We plant the seeds and then it’s up to God through the Holy Spirit to open eyes. We can also pray. That’s very important and I’m praying for you and others because I was one time where you are. If God can help me see he can help you too. 1jester: Do you feel that just because we choose to not dwell on the evil actions of our politicians in this forum that we are in imminent danger of ourselves falling prey to Satan's vices and wiles? Seeker: Could you be in imminent danger? Yes! I don’t think you should dwell but you sure should examine. God is in control and He is going to win. We should never fear Satan or his minions just be alert to them. 1jester: Please consider what I'm saying. Seeker: Thanks for the post and I’ve consider all that you said and I hope you consider all that I said. God bless!!!
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1jester Pioneer100© Member Pilgrim Sojourner
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Seeker, I must admire your tenacity. To answer a few of your questions, since you have obviously misread me (and perhaps many others): Yes, I am aware of many evils in the world, and I do not appreciate it. Yes, I am aware of Bush's activities. What else can I say? I am not misled, yet I do not fear, nor do I keep quiet. Yet, there is a time and a place for everything under the sun. All the knowledge of the world is simply vanity, as someone once said. Just because we don't dwell on this subject you have so ardently brought to our attention here in no way means that we are unaware or fooled. I know what's going on, and really do pray that others also gather the information necessary to stay out of danger. However, life is too short to dwell on Satan's tricks. I pray that you understand this. We're not trying to ignore the problems you bring up, but we'd like to maintain a modicum of respect and atmosphere here conducive toward germinating and sharing the seeds of the Spirit. We can't do that if our minds are filled with hatred and bitterness, can we? How can you enjoy a fine concerto if you are having a shouting match? May God bless you too, sister! May you enjoy the peace and lovingkindess of the Holy Spirit in your life.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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1jester wrote: Seeker, I must admire your tenacity. To answer a few of your questions, since you have obviously misread me (and perhaps many others): Yes, I am aware of many evils in the world, and I do not appreciate it. Yes, I am aware of Bush's activities. What else can I say? I am not misled, yet I do not fear, nor do I keep quiet. Yet, there is a time and a place for everything under the sun. All the knowledge of the world is simply vanity, as someone once said. Just because we don't dwell on this subject you have so ardently brought to our attention here in no way means that we are unaware or fooled. I know what's going on, and really do pray that others also gather the information necessary to stay out of danger. However, life is too short to dwell on Satan's tricks. I pray that you understand this. We're not trying to ignore the problems you bring up, but we'd like to maintain a modicum of respect and atmosphere here conducive toward germinating and sharing the seeds of the Spirit. We can't do that if our minds are filled with hatred and bitterness, can we? How can you enjoy a fine concerto if you are having a shouting match? I guess you are just bent on seeing me as bitter and full of hate and I can't change that. Remember I was responding to your accusations and questions. I've yet to call you harsh names and I've tried to answer all your questions. I At this point I don't see any reason to continue with this conversation as it is not edifying. If it's God's will that you understand where I"m coming from he will show you. Thanks for your reply and God bless! Last edited on 10:59 pm by seekeroftruth |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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Back on topic, we see the Apostle Paul very consistant regarding his concerns about those who would come in after he left to take away the liberty the saints had in Christ. We see in chapter 1 of Galatians the Jews coming into a region after Paul left to try to scout out and bind the Gentiles to the Mosaic Law. They followed him to Corinth, Galatia and elsewhere. We have some 7th Day Adventists folks in our area who are caught up in the Saturday thing and try to put us under the law and into bondage.
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seekeroftruth wrote: What I would like to know, is why are you always questioning someones Christianity? Do you think you are anymore of a Christian than others here? Do you have some secret knowledge of God that we don't know about, some inside information straight from God, some revelation that he gave only to you? Get off your supra Christian crusade, and come back down to earth.
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Many of the wolves we are told come in "Sheep's Clothing". In other words, on the outside they look and sound like ministers of righteousness but inside are wolves in disguise. Some examples would be: Joseph Smith The Ministers at Obama's Church Baha'u'llah Jim Jones-Peoples Temple Muhammed Buddah and so on...
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...that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5:19 Notice that "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself?" This is the difference. These false Christs and False Prophets are "speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves..."
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muddawber wrote: seekeroftruth wrote:What I would like to know, is why are you always questioning someones Christianity? Do you think you are anymore of a Christian than others here? Do you have some secret knowledge of God that we don't know about, some inside information straight from God, some revelation that he gave only to you? Get off your supra Christian crusade, and come back down to earth. Christians are to be alert not asleep. Hitler killed many people. He used deception to do it. Would you have wa rned the people back then of the deception if you knew about it?? If as a c hristian you say no then yes I'll ask again what brand are you?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Many of the wolves we are told come in "Sheep's Clothing". In other words, on the outside they look and sound like ministers of righteousness but inside are wolves in disguise. Some examples would be: Dear friend, 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. (King James Bible, Matthew) 12:23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto th | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
