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 Posted: 12:50 pm

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 Posted: 05:22 pm

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Hi, Shimmy! 

I do not sell or lease vehicles to others, he-he, but I have leased a vehicle myself. 

In my opinion, leasing is only a good option if you don't drive more than 12,000 miles a year and are meticulous about keeping your vehicle clean and in good repair.  If you are someone whom drives more than 12,000 miles a year and has pets, I would strongly urge you NOT to lease as you will be penalized for extra mileage and for pet stains on the upholstery.  I leased a cute little Nissan truck when I was finishing college and it proved to be a great bargain.  My mileage was low, I kept the vehicle meticulously clean, I had a perfectly clean driving record, and I invested the money I saved on monthly payments.  When I turned the car in at the close of the lease, I payed no penalties and was actually thanked by the dealership for my excellent service record and care of the vehicle.  It was a sweet deal for a struggling college student!

Having said all that, I consider buying a vehicle outright the better choice.  Now that I am no longer a university student, purchasing a car is far preferable to leasing.  Leases appear very attractive on the surface, as you are only paying for the depreciation of the vehicle during its first few years of life.  But when you purchase a vehicle outright, you keep the vehicle equity to apply as a down-payment on your next vehicle purchase - something you cannot do with a lease.  Over the course of 10, 20 or 30 years, the accumulative cost of leasing is much higher than that of purchasing.  Some people like having a new car every few years and choose a lease for this purpose.  In my opinion, this is wasteful as you are left with nothing at the close of the lease but the option of starting a new lease.  I would rather own than lease.

Here are some guidelines I found on the 'Net.  They make sense:

Consider buying if you:
    Drive more than 12,000 miles per year
    Want to modify your vehicle
    Don't want to bother keeping your car in great condition
    Have kids, animals, or anything else that could wreak havoc on the interior
    Plan to keep the car for a long time
    Might need to change cars on short notice (and use the equity)
    Care about long-term costs

Consider leasing if you:
    Don't drive more than 12,000 miles per year
    The vehicle's cost is tax deductible due to certain business allowances
    Want a brand-new car every three or four years
    Want more car than you can really afford
    Can invest the savings in monthly payments for profit
    Don't care about the additional long-term costs versus purchasing




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 Posted: 06:36 pm

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:giantgrin: This is why I will lease when I want a new car. They reality is I can lease much cheaper than I can buy period and I just turn it in very 2 to 3 years for a newer model works for me.

Ownership is great if you have a huge down payment and can afford the up keep on your own. At my age I will let someone else to do that.

Consider leasing if you:

    Don't drive more than 12,000 miles per year
    The vehicle's cost is tax deductible due to certain business allowances
    Want a brand-new car every three or four years
    Want more car than you can really afford
    Can invest the savings in monthly payments for profit
    Don't care about the additional long-term costs versus purchasing
 




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The biggest factor in making the decision is figuring how long you will keep the car. If you change cars less than every 3 to 4 years, leasing can be better.

The second biggest factor is how good the lease programs are. Cars with high residual values (BMW, Infiniti, Lexus, etc.) will lease for much better than those with low residual values (Ford, G..., er Suzuki, etc.). The reason for this is that much of the lease payment is tied to depreciation. If I can find a killer program that pegs the residual at 60% after 3 years, that means I'm paying only 40% pus interest over the term. If the residual is 30%, I have to ask myself if I want to pay for 70% of the car's depreciation in such a short time.

I had one customer who traded in his cars religiously every two years. He was losing so much on his trade-ins that I convinced him to lease. He saved a bundle. On the other hand, I've seen people lease a car for a long time, and then turn around and buy it out at the end. They would have saved a lot by buying it in the first place.

I saw an ad for a Subaru Impreza lease for $0 due at lease signing (excluding license and fees) and only $259 per month plus tax. That's a great deal on an AWD car, even if it's a strippy model. Most lease ads say you need a huge down payment PLUS bank fee, sales tax, license, doc fee, and other stuff.

One last thing. It doesn't make sense to lease in certain states because they require sales tax on the entire purchase price up front on a lease. So if you lease a car with a capitalized cost (sale price) of $40,000 for only two years, you have to pay the entire sales tax amount on the $40k in only 24 months. That makes no sense. In California and most states, you only pay sales tax on your monthly payments.

I missed out on an amazing lease deal on an Infiniti M45 back in October of 2003. With less than $1,000 out of pocket to start, my payments would have been under $400 including tax for 36 months. That's less than $15,400 over the whole 3 years on a $45,000 car. Since I missed out on the lease special I ended up buying a 3-year old used one. ::blush::

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 Posted: 09:56 pm

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You sure know your stuff, Shiro!

Thanks for the information!  You raised some excellent points. 




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Thanks Shiro... I knew that you would come thru...:giantgrin:

Thanks Britt and Carla.. for all the info:banana:

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The basic question to ask is, "How much is it going to cost me to use it for the term I want to have it?"

Here's an example:


Compare the cost to buy it and the anticipated resale value after two years (not what the book value is, mind you, but what you can actually sell it for) with the cost of leasing it.

Say I buy a $20,000 car. After tax and license it costs me $22,000 "out the door." I put no money down and make payments of about $425 per month on a 60-month term. After two years I want to sell it, and two year old models are selling at auction (not listed at retail) for $15,000. I've already paid $10,200 and owe the bank about $16,500. That means I have to come up with $1,500 to get out of the loan. If I can lease the car for $425 per month (including tax) for 24 months with $0 drive offs, I'll be $1,500 ahead of the purchasing option.

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Just want to add, if it is from a small lot, get a CARFAX check done... 


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