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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member 
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G, i have to rant about boaters who drink and 'navigate'. who have the  for nice big boats, but don't bother to attend CG courses. who drive down from miami in droves and tear up the reefs because they have no clue how to read a chart or read the water. who will run right over a diver down flag  . the jerks who can afford a boat become weekend warriors and make life hell in keys waters. and don't even get me started on rude jetskiers! these people all need a license exactly like a driver's license! legislation is needed! what do you think about requiring boating licenses?
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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How about when you're sailing along nice and quiet and peaceful, and all of a sudden a motor boat comes flying past you , making HUGE waves, cut's in front and continues on their merry way? 
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Luvdawgs Pioneer100© Member 
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I agree with you, LC. It's ridiculous that people are getting away with doing that sort of thing. Driving a car requires a license...why not driving a boat? Unfortunately some people take advantage of how things are, and ruin it for the rest of us.
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g097103 Original500© Member
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I agree with you about a lot of the boaters LC. They don't have a clue, just money enough to buy a boat. I'm of mixed feelings about the license. Used to be you took an 8 week course from either the USCG or Power Squadron, although it wasn't required. I made my whole family attend one with me even though I had a captains license until I let it expire because I wasn't running dive charters anymore. At the end of that I had 2 preteen boys who could read charts and navigate safely. The only requirement now is that if you are under 21 you have to take a 3 evening class, pretty useless except to explain the laws in a quick way. It doesn't accomplish much but it's something I guess. I hate people who drink and boat, they kill other people. Boats don't have breaks and they don't stop quick, then throw in some judgement impairment and you have a deadly combination. I've been the guy on the radio more than once calling the USCG or marine patrol to tell them someone was a hazard. I'll address PWC's in another theread after I watch Stargate. 
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member
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they're a danger to wildlife (manatees hacked to pieces by props) , a danger to the environment, props tearing up the irreplacable living reef and killing it, and a danger to other boaters. not to mention divers. i surfaced from a deep dive once and a prop missed my head by less than 12 inches. damn fool had no idea what the dive flag meant.
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g097103 Original500© Member
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Lady Cop wrote: they're a danger to wildlife (manatees hacked to pieces by props) , a danger to the environment, props tearing up the irreplacable living reef and killing it, and a danger to other boaters. not to mention divers. i surfaced from a deep dive once and a prop missed my head by less than 12 inches. damn fool had no idea what the dive flag meant. Being a diver I tend to harp on that one some. I once looked up in the water off Ft. Lauderdale to see props going over me about 4 feet up, I was not amused. Down in the Keys it is very shallow like over here and it is very easy to hit a reef or animal with your prop. That's why god made charts, now if only people would learn to read them. Even a chart plotter is useless if you don't know what the symbols and numbers mean.
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member
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so even w/o licenses per se, i think a primary owner should be required to show they attended the full CG course....
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g097103 Original500© Member
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I agree 100%, and if they are in an accident they should bear extra responsibilty if they did not attend one.
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foxglovepress wrote:
It's not very nice and dangerous to do that. The overtaking vessel is the burdened one and bears 90% of the responsibility for a safe pass. They are responsible for their wake and if they hurt someone or cause damage could end up in admiralty court. That said I have to ask a few questions because I've been the overtaking vessel in this situation and ended up trailing behind the sail boat so as not to wake them. Do you have a radio at the helm? I will try to raise the sailboat ahead of me to arrange a soft pass where they slow down a bit to let me pass at a no wake or minimal wake speed. Lots of sailboats have the radio below where they can't hear it. If I blow a couple shorts on my horn, do you know I'm signaling for a pass on your port side? Same thing, I'm trying to arrange a soft pass with you.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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g097103 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: No, the radio was below. I say "was" because we don't have the boat anymore! In those situations, we were in the bay, which affords tons of room to pass proper without worrying about their wake. They probably were drinking. However, I think a lot of times when this happens, it's just because they don't realize how the wake affects a sail boat. It slows you down, among other things, and depending on the wind.........that can be a real "pain" 
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Many years ago, my folks owned a Power Boat, moored at a dock in a lagoon behind their Summer Home, near Atlantic City. Funny enough, my dad didn't like boating that much, & my mom was actually scared of the open waters. So they didn't use the boat very much at all, but they had to have one because they had a "dock"!! Anyway, I used to travel there most every weekend after work (it was a 5 hour drive) cause I loved fishing & boating. So I just started using their boat, never having any formal boating training. However, I found that many of the curtesy rules I used on the highway could be applied to boating. Starting with giving a wide bearth to all close boats, & passing carfully, slowly, & "never" cutting in front of them after passing! Eventually over serveral months, I was taught boating safety/rules from old seadogs, & finally the CG. After being boarded by the CG for a safety regulations boat check, they told me about available CG boating safety classes that I was unaware of. As much as you think you might know, it's surprising to find out how much you really don't!!!!
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member
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 Everglades National Park acts to protect no-motor zonesWith the buzz of illegal outboards growing in a paddling zone, park managers have put up no-trespassing signs and watercraft-blocking cables to protect a remote wilderness.  CURTIS MORGAN/MIAMI HERALD STAFF Doug Culp, left, and Jay Jackson install warning signs in Everglades National Park. » More Photos Workers this week strung two stout cables, buoyed by bright-orange barrel floats, across a canal leading to the isolated watery wilderness of Cape Sable on the park's southwestern tip. It is the latest effort to keep scofflaw boaters out of an area that is supposed to be open only to paddlers willing to trade hours of work for access to a rich array of wildlife in inland marshes, mangroves and lakes. The back-country maze shelters roseate spoonbill, crocodile and -- the main reason for frequent illegal intrusions -- plenty of snook, tarpon and other prized fish. Unscrupulous skippers have defied numerous efforts over the years to block outboard skiffs, employing chain saws, bolt-cutters and other tools to get around dams, cables and downed trees. Everglades Superintendent Dan Kimball said he hoped the barriers would protect the peace of Cape Sable's backcountry and stop the increasing drone of engines that has frustrated many anglers, including the Florida Keys Fishing Guides Association. ''This is kind of our first step to go in and deal with the issues out there,'' said Kimball. ``I'm concerned about the trespassing, and I'm concerned from a safety standpoint of people going up in there.'' SWEET FISHING SPOT Though the no-motor zone, which runs from near the park's Flamingo outpost on Florida Bay west to just behind Lake Ingraham, is unknown to most visitors, it is a lure for many savvy anglers. Violations have been a persistent problem, and with few rangers patrolling the remote and lightly used area, only a few $150 citations have been issued. Boaters can reach the area through two coastal canals, the East Cape and Homestead, that were dredged in the 1920s to drain what was once a vast freshwater marsh. In the past, cables have been cut and keep-engines-out signs have mysteriously vanished. Old steel coffer dams across both canals have been circumvented by channels cut open, park rangers suspect, with shovels and widened by powerful tidal flows. They are big enough to allow small motorboats to pass, though they would be treacherous to run when currents are strong. The park has commissioned an engineering study to replace the dams as well to help revive a freshwater system that is collapsing as a rising sea level drives deeper inland. Kimball said that's a future, more complicated and expensive challenge. On Thursday, workers completed much of the job on the East Cape Canal, the easiest to access. They installed two sets of buoyed cables designed to snag or block larger boats but allow canoes and kayaks to float through. They also put up no-motor-zone signs and placed a buoy warning that the old dam remains in place. The crew plans to finish work at the Homestead Canal next week. PRESERVING PARADISE For serious Everglades anglers and guides, the canal had become a hot-button issue. Some guides, who ferry canoes or kayaks on their skiffs so clients can fish in the secluded area, have gone so far as to videotape violators. They also suspect competitors of plundering the no-motor zone to gain an illegal edge in tournaments. ''Much of the concern for this area comes from the angling community,'' said Shannon Estenoz, regional director of the National Parks Conservation Association. ``There are a lot people who fish back there the right way.'' The environmental group joined the guide association in advocating for the barriers, Estenoz said, not to keep anglers out but to protect a sensitive shallow-water system and a different kind of fishing experience. ''This isn't a closure story,'' she said. ``The park isn't closing off an area that was formerly open.''
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Lady Cop wrote:
This is great! Having owned a sailboat, I completely understand the quiet sound of .............QUIET!! There's nothing better. As well, there's nothing worse then a motor boat screaming at full pitch!! I think anyone who has a boat in areas where the marine life is in great danger of being hit by the propellers, should understand also!
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Florida led the nation last year with 69 boating fatalities, compared with 47 for Texas and 44 for California. Brevard County was the eighth most likely county for boaters to be in an accident, according to statistics released by Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. The most likely county for boaters to be in an accident was Monroe (keys), followed in order by Palm Beach, Miami-Dade, Pinellas, Lee, Broward, Collier and Brevard. All but eight of the boating fatalities were the result of drowning, and none of the victims were wearing life jackets. There are more than 1 million registered vessels in Florida. Nearly 600 of the state’s accidents happened while the vessel was cruising. Small vessels, especially those under 18 feet, were the most likely to be involved in accidents. The 85-page report on 2006 boating accidents in Florida is available online at MyFWC.com/law/boating.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Lady Cop wrote: Florida led the nation last year with 69 boating fatalities, compared with 47 for Texas and 44 for California. That's amazing LC! Puget Sound in Washington state isn't even on the list?? WHO are these people not wearing life jackets? I hope it's not kids who's parents aren't being cautious.
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