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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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A lot of folks probably wouldn't like it. Things would be a lot more black and white; no "shades of grey", no "contextual permission", no "spin", no excuses. It either is or it isn't; it's either right or it's wrong. Foreign policy: You do things your way and we'll do them ours. We don't tell you how to run your country, you keep your mouth shut about how we run ours. There would still be a UN; it's purpose would be to keep peace between countries and would be a neutral ground for the country's reps to discuss what's going on and what plans need to be made or implemented. The UN itself would have no power, no authority and no military. There would be dues to pay; don't pay your dues, you're out. You have no seat at the table and no voice in what goes on. You also have no right to gripe about it. Trade: Everyone has something someone else needs. That's the basis of trade; I have something you want, you have something I want. We decide mutally if they're of equal value; if not, we decide how many of your items is equal to one or ours or vice-versa. Like any negotiation, if we can't come to a reasonable agreement, we both walk away; there's always someone else to talk to. Foreign aid: Game over. Forget about it. We're not going to finance your inability to take care of business. Figure out how to deal with your own problems; we have. Don't come to us with your hand out saying, "Gimme money"; it's not going to happen. If you want to discuss a loan, we'll sit down over a beer and talk. Don't even think about defaulting on the payments if you accept the loan; you won't like the penalty clause. Military: They'd be coming home; period. A standing military will be maintained against aggression from outside this country; and it would be trained and equipped to be the best in the world. It would be all-volunteer; Bikers are against conscription by nature. If you are willing to do the job, you're in; if you're not, we don't want you doing it, because you're not going to give it your all. The Border Patrol would be disbanded and part of the military will be assigned border protection duties. Orders would be simple; repel boarders. The "coyotes" who take money and "guide" these boarders would be shot on the spot and left where they lay. The boarders themselves would be rounded up, put onto military buses and returned to their country forthwith. If that didn't work, oh well; orders go out to the military border guards to the effect of "Use of lethal force is authorized". Immigration: Don't like where you live? Want to come here and make a better life for yourself? Come ahead; do it legally via the established channels and you'd be welcomed. Be warned; you will be learning English and the ability to speak, understand, read and write that language will be part of the final exam that gains you citizenship. You will be learning and practicing our culture and our laws; if you want to practice the "old country's" culture among yourselves, fine, we don't want to deprive you of our background. But don't force it down our throats or expect us to change to suit you. In your country our citzens, whether visitors or immigrants, are expected to do things your way; don't expect anything different when you come here. Social programs: The touchy-feely social programs would be gone. It's not the government's responsibility to cater to and "support" (read; pay for) the "arts" or any other such nonsense. You want it, you pay for it. You don't want to pay for it, it's an indication that you don't really want it. Federal programs designed to bail individuals out of "substance abuse" problems are over. Federal programs that keep people comfortably housed and fed while they don't work are over. Lose your job? We're willing to help you out; for a time. Better be looking for another one; and just because your last job paid $250,000 per year, don't turn your nose up at something that pays less. If what you're offered won't support you in the manner to which you've become accustomed, you'd best be figuring out how to live in a different manner. Social Security would be halted; not the payments to those who already rely on it, nor to those who have been paying in for years. They did their part, we'd do ours. However, in spite of FDR's grand idea, it's no longer the government's responsibility to pander to your inability to prepare for your retirement. It's your life; it's your responsibilty. You won't be paying in to Social Security anymore; use that money to prepare your own retirement plan. The money saved by cessation of foreign aid and military spending in "conflicts" and "police actions" elsewhere in the world would be put to use to eliminate the problems of homelessness and hunger. Health care: This country has the finest health care in the world; the problem is it's so damn expensive very few can afford it. A panel of experts would be appointed and given a finite time to find out why it's so damn expensive so it could be fixed. Then fix it. Insurance: Good idea. The industry would be revamped. Insurance would be made affordable; period. It wouldn't be mandatory for you to have it; if you have enough money to afford your own health care or take care of the cage crash you caused, that's your lookout. If not, it's a lot like setting up that retirement plan; putting money away against the eventuality. Insurers who weasel out of paying claims on the people they insure through technicalities would be shut down, their assets confiscated and distributed to the insured. Law and order: First order of business would be to review existing laws. Stupid, outdated or unenforcable laws would be removed from the books on the local, State and Federal level. Laws would be clear and unequivocal, as would the penalties for breaking them. Bottom line; do the crime, you'll do the time. That time would not be pleasant. Taxation: The government's responsibility is to provide an infrastructure for its people to have the ability to live their life and enjoy it. This requires money; since the government is not a business and does not charge for these services directly, that money has to come in the form of taxes. However, taxation on the Federal level would be suspended temporarily until the massive resurgance of money into the Federal coffers from lack of spending on foreign aid and military ventures elsewhere was allocated to necessary areas. Then a flat tax, with no deductions would be computed and instituted. It needn't be onerous; the overhead would be lower and $1.00 each from 1,000,000 people is still $1,000,000.00. $10.00 from 10,000,000 people is $100,000,000.00. A little from a lot adds up quickly. Those who are currently using philanthropy and dodges to avoid paying their fair share would squawk; but the vast majority of honest citizens would see tangilble tax relief while getting more for their money. Legislation and representation: Term limits would be in effect. No more professional politicians. There is a 2-term limit on the President of the United States; pretty good idea. If you can't get what you want done in 8 years, you'd best have convinced the voters in your constituency, whether that's on the State or Federal level, that there's someone else who's eligible who is ready to pick up where you leave off. After all, what you're trying to do is what that constituency wants, right? Freedom would be increased; no more nanny government looking over your shoulder. However, the concimmitant responsibility would be increased as well; personal responsibility for one's own self. If you're not willing to take that responsibility, then maybe you need to look for another place to live where the government will take care of you; then you can deal with everything that goes with that. Last edited on 06:15 pm by UsedToRide  Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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I love that post!! That was interesting to say the least ...
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You got my vote!!!  Especially now, after just watching the debate................
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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"There would still be a UN; it's purpose would be to keep peace between countries and would be a neutral ground for the country's reps to discuss what's going on and what plans need to be made or implemented. The UN itself would have no power, no authority and no military. There would be dues to pay; don't pay your dues, you're out. You have no seat at the table and no voice in what goes on. You also have no right to gripe about it." that's what the UN is supposed to be. Trouble is, the LARGE countries don't like to be told that THEY have to be nice to the little guys, and not, for example, TELL the small country what to charge for their products. And the UN without a military is a good idea--- except that the UN -does- need enough teeth to stop ANY country, no matter how big their own military is, from doing what they want to do anyway. There are some large countries that just defy the UN, no matter what. Even if what that country wants to do isn't good for the world -- they want to do it anyway, even if it's only good for a small percentage of their powerful citizens, and not even good for most of the citizens IN that country.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Trouble is, the LARGE countries don't like to be told that THEY have to be nice to the little guys, and not, for example, TELL the small country what to charge for their products Too bad. They follow the rules that go with membership or they're gone. And then they don't have a voice in what happens either. And the UN without a military is a good idea--- except that the UN -does- need enough teeth to stop ANY country, no matter how big their own military is, from doing what they want to do anyway. Bullshit. It's exactly that line of "reasoning" that the UN has become what it is today. The UN is trying to become an actual world power so that it can go on and become the world power. Remove the authority and the militia and it bcomes what it was meant to be; a non-governing body that is a neutral ground where representatives of member nations can come to discuss how to create a world where all nations can govern themselves and take care of their own business without others attempting to dictate to them or the need for a One World Government.
Of course they do; they speak out of both sides of their mouths paying lip service to the UN with platitudes and protestations yet doing exactly what they allegedly decry. No problem; they're gone, yet again with no seat at the table and no say in what happens. The remaining member nations then proceed to shut them down whether through economic pressure or blatant force, with each member nation contributing equally to the effort and remaining true to the resolution they agreed to.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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wallstreetman Original500© Member Patriot
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The part I would not like would be to see the BAC levels rise! Bikers would raise the limits since they account for the most accidents involving alcohol above .08.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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wallstreetman wrote: The part I would not like would be to see the BAC levels rise! Bikers would raise the limits since they account for the most accidents involving alcohol above .08. And where does this statistic come from? And is it the Biker or the cager who is the one above the limit?
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wallstreetman Original500© Member Patriot
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27% of motorcycle operators, 22% of autos and trucks are way lower. I guess truck drivers are smart enough to sleep it off before getting behind the wheel.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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wallstreetman wrote: 27% of motorcycle operators, 22% of autos and trucks are way lower. I guess truck drivers are smart enough to sleep it off before getting behind the wheel. Again, where are you getting your figures?
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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wallstreetman wrote: The part I would not like would be to see the BAC levels rise! Bikers would raise the limits since they account for the most accidents involving alcohol above .08. While WSM is gathering some sort of verifiable information to uphold his claims, let's take a closer look at this comment. I don't recall having stated anything about raising or lowering the BAC levels in the original post. Wait...let me go make sure.....Nope. I didn't mention BAC levels. So WSM is assuming that we would automatically raise the BAC levels to make it easier for drunks to get out on the road and wipe us out. As a Biker who has been wiped out by a drunk cager, I can guaran-f**king-tee that this would not be the case. I know 7 Bikers personally who have been hit by drunks when they were riding stone cold sober. So WSM is leaping to conclusions that are highly erroneous. The statistics that he has listed say no more than percentages of cagers, truck drivers and Bikers. The percentage of what, exactly? In which state? What year? The percentages that seem to have been plucked from thin air tell me nothing. Back it up, or shut up.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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UsedToRide wrote: wallstreetman wrote:The part I would not like would be to see the BAC levels rise! Bikers would raise the limits since they account for the most accidents involving alcohol above .08. Don't you get it, I'm tired of hearing how bikers are these God like creatures that can fix the world! The reason I thought of BAC levels is because the bikers I know are DRUNKS and I was curious to motorcycle/DUI/Accident statistics.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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wallstreetman wrote: Don't you get it, I'm tired of hearing how bikers are these God like creatures that can fix the world! God like? Who ever said anything even remotely like that? Not any Biker here. Go ahead and read back, browse around, and back this claim up, too. If you're sick of what Bikers talk about, put us all on ignore and save yourself the aggravation. I don't know these people you claim to be Bikers. They could be riders, motorcycle enthustiasts, or your cat. If you have issues with their drinking, I suggest you take it up with them. And maybe find some actual Bikers to call friends. At least you admit you "thought of" the BAC levels and don't have a verfifiable link to the statistics. Plucking stuff from thin air is no way to debate any issue. I'd have thought you would know that by now. I also never claimed we could fix the world, but I do claim that if more people knew of and lived the Life we do, things would be very different, and improved from what they are today. Frankly, I don't think you personally know any real Biker. Not by the understood definition of what makes one so.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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UsedToRide wrote: wallstreetman wrote:Don't you get it, I'm tired of hearing how bikers are these God like creatures that can fix the world! http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insurance/motorcycle/ Sorry, I should have said LARGE trucks, but I was pretty close as to my numbers. BTW, the problem is not just alcohol related as you can see!
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wallstreetman wrote: http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insurance/motorcycle/ Sorry, I should have said LARGE trucks, but I was pretty close as to my numbers. BTW, the problem is not just alcohol related as you can see! Nope, the problem is not just alcohol-related. And this link does show that too many riders get on their bikes drunk. Uncommon to your opinion/belief/ideas/assumptions, however, I have never claimed that Bikers or riders are perfect, infallible, or never break the law. I have also said that if Bikers did run this country, your assumption that we would automatically raise the legal BAC level is wrong. Cagers are our biggest problem with their cell phones, their attitude that "it will never happen to me" and road rage. You can also take it to the bank that when drunks on the road are caught, the penalty for the crime would be severe. Much more so than it is now. Be it a cager or a Biker who is caught. There would be no slap on the wrist like it is now; it would be a much more uncomfortable punishment and it would be enforced across the boards, operators of any type of vehicle. Yes, that means including those who ride motorcycles. As the original post says; it's either right, or it's wrong. Money doesn't matter, a known name, some fame, any Club affiliation; none of that would matter. The punishment for drunks operating a vehicle would be harsh.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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