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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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Robodoon wrote: aknow wrote:Over the weekend 400 or more children get abducted by the police and feds in Texas, taken away from their families, even if the Feds don't/won't understand their families. No its not. Are Jews, gypsies, the mentally and physical disabled, writers, journalists, political dissidents, and non-whites being systematically abused and slaughtered in concentration camps and used for medical experiment atrocities ? Are death squads roaming the lands exterminating whole towns and villages ? Is your govenment an unelected 1000 year reich ? Didn't think so.
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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Lady Cop wrote:
This kind of thing is exactly why we need a national DNA database. DNA can't be used to solve every violent crime, but it can sure as hell cut down on this kind of thing happening.
 "It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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24HourNut Administrator  aka Frank
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Does this guy have any recourse? I hope the Government is going out of their way to help him get a home and/or job.
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member  ~~SEA HAG~~
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he'll probably end up with a financial settlement at some point, but his 27 years of life are gone forever and there is no price to put on that. in the article, the innocence project is integral, i know i have made mention of it several times before. and goes to my point that a database can be for the good.
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shirohniichan Original500© Member  Obscurius per obscurum
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cynicalninja wrote: Robodoon wrote:aknow wrote:Over the weekend 400 or more children get abducted by the police and feds in Texas, taken away from their families, even if the Feds don't/won't understand their families. Excellent observations! If everyone we don't like is "like Hitler", we downplay how evil Hitler's Nazi regime really was. George Bush is not Hitler. Rush Limbaugh is not Hitler. Hillary Clinton is not Hitler. You may not like them, but they are not Nazis.
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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Lady Cop wrote: in the article, the innocence project is integral, i know i have made mention of it several times before. and goes to my point that a database can be for the good. The Innocence Project does good work. That's one of the reasons my opinion of Barry Scheck is so much higher than for Johnny Cochrane and Robert Shapiro (both of whom I consider to be wastes of perfectly good oxygen).
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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shirohniichan wrote: Excellent observations! If everyone we don't like is "like Hitler", we downplay how evil Hitler's Nazi regime really was. George Bush is not Hitler. Rush Limbaugh is not Hitler. Hillary Clinton is not Hitler. You may not like them, but they are not Nazis. Well said.   
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member ~~SEA HAG~~
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The Innocence Project does good work. That's one of the reasons my opinion of Barry Scheck is so much higher than for Johnny Cochrane and Robert Shapiro (both of whom I consider to be wastes of perfectly good oxygen). i wanted to smack Scheck upside the head during oj trial, but i give him a lot of credit for this. as for cochran and shapiro and kardashian, i considered all three accessories after the fact of murder.
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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Lady Cop wrote: The Innocence Project does good work. That's one of the reasons my opinion of Barry Scheck is so much higher than for Johnny Cochrane and Robert Shapiro (both of whom I consider to be wastes of perfectly good oxygen). Actually, I have to take that back about Cochrane. I guess at this point, he's no longer a waste of oxygen. Just nitrogen...
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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shirohniichan wrote: cynicalninja wrote:Robodoon wrote:aknow wrote:Over the weekend 400 or more children get abducted by the police and feds in Texas, taken away from their families, even if the Feds don't/won't understand their families. Its such an overused term used so glibly by people to describe things they don't like. If certain members here are so concerned about the perceived erosion of their freedoms in the US try moving to North Korea or Albania, perhaps then you will truly appreciate the freedoms that you still have.
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member ~~SEA HAG~~
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This is the second of two stories about DNA exonerations in Dallas,Texas. After his release from prison, Wiley Fountain surfaced for this mug shot, then fell off the radar DALLAS, Texas (CNN) -- Wiley Fountain is homeless just five years after he walked out of prison an innocent man. He is one of the 17 men wrongfully convicted in Dallas County, Texas, then cleared by DNA evidence. He was one of the lucky few to receive financial compensation from the state, but the $190,000 or so that made it into his pocket is long gone. For awhile, Fountain wandered the streets of Dallas, looking for aluminum cans to trade in for cash. He earned the occasional meal by cleaning the parking lot of a restaurant. At night he had nowhere to go. Now he's nowhere to be found. Just as the headlines of his release vanished from the front pages of the newspaper, Fountain, 51, has disappeared. And so have his hopes for a fresh start after spending 15 years in prison for an aggravated sexual assault he did not commit. Clay Graham, a policy director with the Innocence Project of Texas, spends many days worrying about Fountain. In March, he received a phone call with the news that Fountain had been arrested on a theft charge and was sitting in the Dallas County jail. Graham rushed over to talk with him. "He said being homeless ain't so bad," Graham recalled. "That's when I thought something horrible must have happened to him in prison." A few weeks later, Fountain was released from jail and disappeared. Fountain's story doesn't come as a shock to Jeff Blackburn, one of the lead attorneys with the Innocence Project of Texas, who represents many of the exonerated former convicts.  See how the others fared »Blackburn said these wrongly convicted men get "a double-whammy screw job." He said there's little help from the government to transition back into society and they're still viewed as criminals once they're out of prison. Don't Miss"They don't have any services available to them, not even $100 and a cheap suit," Blackburn said. What happens to these men in the months and years after their release is an often overlooked story. These men find themselves starting life at middle age. CNN recently interviewed 15 of the 17 men who have been exonerated by DNA evidence in Dallas County since 2001. Their stories are vastly different, but they do share common themes. There is little talk of bitterness and anger. But there is great mistrust of the world around them and immense frustration. Some men have married and had children. Eugene Henton married a woman who worked in the jail commissary. "I don't know what I would have done without her. She makes me human," Henton said. Others came out of prison so jaded and changed that it ruined marriages and relationships. A few have had repeated troubles with the law. And almost all of them talk about how the ghost of their past follows them wherever they go.  Watch a newly released man start over »James Waller decided the only way to escape is to leave the place where the injustice happened. After 10 years in prison, Waller is selling his house and plans to move closer to his family in northern Louisiana. "I'll feel free when I kiss Texas goodbye," he said. Very few of the men have managed to find steady, full-time employment. They say their wrongful convictions routinely appear in criminal background checks. Entre Nax Karage, a 37-year-old Cambodian immigrant, was wrongfully convicted of murdering his girlfriend and spent seven years in prison. Karage is married now and has a 3-year-old daughter and the family is expecting a second child next month. He finds occasional work as a security guard. "I go and apply for a job and it keeps popping up on my record," said Karage. "It's pretty frustrating. I didn't even do it." The long prison sentences left many scars on the personalities of the exonerated men. Greg Wallis spent 17 years in prison, and said he's lucky to have made it out alive. There were countless fights with other inmates that left him battered, bloodied and bruised. Wallis now lives in Lubbock, Texas, with his girlfriend --but relationships aren't easy for him. "She has a hard time understanding my ways," Wallis said. "You do all that time in prison and it rubs off, you still act that way." Wallis doesn't want to be around people. He doesn't have a job and is seeing a psychologist. "I don't like being around people," he said. "If I could do it I'd move into the woods and live off the land." David Shawn Pope, a self-described "artistic Southern boy," left Dallas and moved in with his mother in Northern California after he was released, Seven years out of prison, Pope is still looking for full-time employment. He spends a lot of time playing guitar and writing songs. But he hasn't written anything about his time in prison. "I haven't been able to put it together probably because it was so painful." Pope said
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member  Official Forum Troublemaker
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Brian wrote: I would welcome the chance to prove I'm not guilty of a crime, and having your DNA on file somewhere helps get that done. I would willingly give up DNA -- not a problem. Because I don't even INTEND to commit a crime, and if DNA could get me out of a jam where someone said I did something I didn't do. I've nearly been accused of various BS by paranoid crazy people before (who I now stay away from) like being the one that stole something from their house. Having DNA to PROVE that I DIDN'T DO IT would help a LOT. Having to make it my word vs their word and any of their lying friends who would lie for them (especially if said friend WAS the one who stole it and KNOWS it- would frame me in a MINUTE rather than be a suspect themselves) I don't need that crap ==== and not having my DNA on the recovered tools DEFINTELY would be nice.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Because I don't even INTEND to commit a crime Bullet never "intended" to do (illegal or otherwise) anything either. (I won't call it a "crime" since it wasn't; LC, back me up here) and he sits in prison for coming up on 2 years. DNA cannot prove or refute my husband's innocence; nor that of many others who sit inside, innocent. Only the proper procedure that should have been done and was not done by the powers that be would prove that, and they just sat by, happily gnawing on their notched belts which read "convictions 3745, dismissals, 3". Thankyouverymuch, and have a nice day. Those who claim "the innocent don't need to worry or have anything to hide" should take a close look at the ones who are convicted wrongfully.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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UsedToRide wrote: Because I don't even INTEND to commit a crime You're absolutely right that DNA can't prevent every wrongful conviction. But it can prevent some wrongful convictions, and I think that's a good start. There's a lot more that needs to be done (both for the accused, and for the victims of crimes).
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Brian wrote: You're absolutely right that DNA can't prevent every wrongful conviction. But it can prevent some wrongful convictions, and I think that's a good start. There's a lot more that needs to be done (both for the accused, and for the victims of crimes). Would you like an account of all the cases Bullet and I have come across that show people proven innocent still - to this day - after years and sometimes decades sit inside? Brian, I totally respect you and your views and opinions on damn near everything. But as smart as you are, you don't have the experience in legal matters in the appelate court that I (unfortunately) do. If you do, it is something you've never let out here in the forum. DNA may be able to prevent "some" wrongful convictions, but it has been shown to me that hiding such evidence (by corrupt prosecutors/cops, etc.,) can keep innocent men in prison for years. Google the Detroit News and search for Hatcher. See what you find......
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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