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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Political Matters > Is the Constitution a "living document" |
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member 
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24hournut "Not flaws - playing a giant immorality role and fueler of slavery, oppression, and various other anti-freedom activities." More melodrama that focuses on the bad and ignors the good. "If you want to ignore what the authors themeselves said, that's your problem, not mine. Take it up with them." I'm not ignoring the authors, in fact I'm quoting from the document that contains their offical public pronouncement, agreed upon by all of the Founders and NOT isolated quotes.
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24HourNut Administrator  aka Frank
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The DOI provides the fundamental principle on which our nation was established. In a population of PEOPLE that almost universally identified with Christianity there was no need to explain the words "God", "Creator" or "Supreme Judge". The "PEOPLE" of that time understood that their rights and freedom came from God. That was self-evident knowledge in 17th century America. Them understanding what they understood does not negate the reasons generic deist language was atypically and purposefully used. Please see what the Founders said about their own language and how that matches their positions regarding religious minorities and inclusion.
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More melodrama that focuses on the bad and ignors the good. I have no problem mentioning the good, but right now I mentioned them playing a giant immorality role and fueler of slavery, oppression, and various other anti-freedom activities because you seem to be making excuses for them. You seem to be minimizing or downplaying them as if your audience is brain damaged. I'm not ignoring the authors, in fact I'm quoting from the document that contains their offical public pronouncement, agreed upon by all of the Founders and NOT isolated quotes. Putting forth a document does not mean they agree with your interpretation of it. In fact, your silly refusal to include their position and views on their own language in those documents is indicative of how you are out of step with them. So if you want to ignore what the authors themeselves said about their position and language, that's your problem, not mine. Take it up with them. Or, you can see how THEY interpret the documents DIFFERENTLY than YOU do. All you have to do is check out their official positions on the specific document. But you won't. You will run and make excuses as to why you don't have to. Right? Yep.
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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"I have no problem mentioning the good," Yes you do because if you didn't you would acknowledge that the injustices were undone in large part due to efforts by the church. You're like a father whose kid screws up, drops out of school but later gets his GED, graduates from college but you continually remind him of his past screw ups (I am NOT saying this is the type of father you are). "Putting forth a document does not mean they agree with your interpretation of it." My interpretation.... "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" "endowed by their Creator" "appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world" My interpretation is these are references to the God of the Bible. One hundred percent of the Colonial population AND 100% of the population in England, regardless of whatever branch of Christian, Judism or any other religious group the were a part of, would have understood these words to mean the God of the Bible. Why? Because they understood the religious and cultural context in which the words were written. No, this isn't MY INTERPRETATION. It's the interpretation of anyone that knows how to read and understand the English language AND (listen because this is very important) has any knowledge of the social, culture and religious make-up of the American colonies when the Declaration was written. "In fact, your silly refusal to include their position and views on their own language in those documents is indicative of how you are out of step with them." Wrong, my "silly refusal" is to ignor the context in which this very carefully draft public pronouncement was being made for the world to read. One final note. This is another subject on which I will no longer respond to your questions or post. We've been over this issue time and time again over the last few years. There is nothing new that I can say to you that hasn't already been said so my non-response to your questions isn't intended to be rude or obnoxious but a wise conservation of time and energy.
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Pmh, I will stick with being in-line with the Founders and going with what those key players and chief authors said about their use of their language and their intent. You can stick with your interpretation, that's fine. It's obvious why you avoid what the Founders said and why you try to downplay the immorality and injustices of the Christian mob and the Church (that the Founders acknowledged) in this regard. They were worried about religious minorities, said the Constitution was founded on the natural authority of the people alone - even Congress voted for and issued a Treaty saying America was not a Christian nation. So you go ahead and keep pretending and hoping and interpreting your way around what the Founders said. That is why you do not include or respect specific and direct high-quality, pertinent evidence BY the Founders on their own work! Good day.
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