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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Yes, it IS his choice and his alone --- technically. But, Obama is under a tremendous amount of pressure from the media, from polls of the citizens showing support for the idea, and from the Clinton supporters and Clinton- supporting politicians to select Hillary instead of anyone else. I think the amount of precedent being focussed on him regarding Hillary is unprecedented. It's true that every Presidential candidate faces pressure from various directions to pick various people for VP.. I do not recall a time when one candidate for VP saw such immense support from the People, the media, and the politicians. I'm not really counting her campaign as unusual, because it's probably quite normal for a candidates campaign to focus next on getting their candidate selected for VP Will Obama be forced to cave in and give the VP slot to Hillary??? I'm not saying he should or should not--- I can see pros and cons both ways-- so don't take my term "cave in" as the tenor of the question.. Comment on your answer to the poll please--- what do you think the political price is for Obama if he doesn't pick her??
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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I don't think he should, but I don't know that he won't. The math on Clinton doesn't look all that favorable. 54% of Democrats say they would like her as the VP. That's 54% of Democrats. In a general election, I think he needs to do better than that. If it was 54% of all likely voters, I would think she'd have a better shot. Frankly, there are much more popular people he could pick, if he wanted to. On top of that, I'm not all that sure that she would bring all her supporters with her, if she was the VP. I would think that Sam Nunn, Wesley Clarke, or even Colin Powell (and that would be really interesting) would be better choices. Either that, or someone totally new. I don't think he wants to be seen helping Clinton even remotely, after all that's gone on.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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yeah, I'm just not sure what to think Colin Powell -- now THERE"S a thought. Not one, but TWO black men leading the country!!!  And one of them VERY experienced at military affairs and foreign policy, even if some people don't think he did a good job, I suspect he was simply backed into a corner politically by his boss at the time--and not so much saying and doing those things completely of his own will. However, that'd take us back to the old days of President from one party and VP from the other... Hmm... Obama as Prez, McCain as VP??
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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sirlamre wrote: yeah, I'm just not sure what to think Is Colin Powell actually a Republican? I'm not 100% sure about that. I know people have been trying to get him to run as a Republican, but I'm not sure he actually is one. sirlamre wrote: Hmm... Obama as Prez, McCain as VP?? Interesting thought, but (aside from it being ideologically impossible, I think) what happens to the race, then? Does Huckabee then run against Obama/McCain, and who does he pick as VP? 
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Brian wrote: Is Colin Powell actually a Republican? I'm not 100% sure about that. I know people have been trying to get him to run as a Republican, but I'm not sure he actually is one. Huh... you know I guess I just sort of figured he was, working for Bush, and figuring that Bush would -NEVER- hire anyone disloyal to the GOP (or more particularly, Bush) to work for him.. eg -- Dems can just stay OUT of the White House except if specifically invited...
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Marie5656 Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Just hanging out
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I am not sure she would be happy in the VP spot..she is too driven by power. If he does not choose her, she would be best able to help him win by campaigning for him in areas that predominantly supported her.
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aknow Original500© Member
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sirlamre wrote: yeah, I'm just not sure what to think I don't think we'll ever see Colin Powell in the public domain again after his deceit and bold face lying to a world body when he did his Uncle Tom imitation for George Bush at the UN. That the Republicans would pick an old disingenuous hack like McCain, who is mentally and physically crippled, and too old to be president, is an embarrassment to the Republican party, and America in general. All this country needs is an end to political lobbying, and it won't matter much who gets elected or, who they pick. Why would America pick a Senator (either Obama or McCain) who have collectively allowed America to be bought and sold by foreign interests, and have sat on their collective asses while the borders, ports, and American infrastructure lie wasting and waiting for Armageddon? Or maybe we need that to get off or our collective asses and demand some real change. Here in Central Coast California, mid level gas has reached $5.00 per gallon. I blame that on a government that opens its hands for handouts from Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, and closes its mind to the healthiest and most moral decisions it could make due to its collective greed. I believe our enemies (both real and imagined) would love to see another idiot like Bush get elected, that would be McCain. I'd rather see McCain's wife elected, even though she got prosecuted for stealing prescription drugs several years ago. Her, I respect and actually admire from the several things I've read about her. At least she has her own mind, not the local lobbyist from Exxon Mobil's. Dr. Steve 
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Marie5656 wrote: I am not sure she would be happy in the VP spot..she is too driven by power. If he does not choose her, she would be best able to help him win by campaigning for him in areas that predominantly supported her. Either way, campaigning in the areas she won well and he didn't, would be her role. What I said all along was this: 1. If Clinton got the nomination, and Obama wasn't there, the large numbers of blacks who turned out to vote for the first time in their lives would go home (he increased the black turnout quite a bit with voters who normally didn't vote). Those "extra" votes would simply vanish from the Dem rolls, and McCain would win handily against Clinton, after the Democratic drop in votes, similar to Nader in 2004 stealing just enough of the Dem vote to hand it to Bush. 2. If Obama gets it (and he has) -- someone needs to figure out the older white female vote -- and perhaps the Hispanic vote, though I'm thinking they might turn and vote for Obama anyhow. I don't know a reason they would switch to McCain instead or stay home. But the older women who HAVE voted in most elections would do something --- and possibly not Obama? Might they switch parties? Probably wouldn't vote 3rd though. I think a lot of them would stay home. But the Dems are hoping that they'll stay Dem and vote Obama after it's all over-- Same goes for the working blue collar vote. Especially if Clinton is on the ballot as VP. But is having Bill at the White House a good thing? Who is REALLY the VP? And for that matter, Obama would have to fight him off all the time too ... And rumour has it that Michelle Obama would be less than pleased by a Hillary in the Oval Office too...
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Cars Original500© Member  Love Living Large
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IMO, Obama is smarter than to think that if he chose Hillary, that he would only be getting Hillary as VP! He is acutely aware that Billy would actually be in the not so back, background, acting as HillyBilly VP! If VP, Hillary would be saying the words, but many of them would be guided by Billy! 
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Cars wrote: IMO, Obama is smarter than to think that if he chose Hillary, that he would only be getting Hillary as VP! He is acutely aware that Billy would actually be in the not so back, background, acting as HillyBilly VP! If VP, Hillary would be saying the words, but many of them would be guided by Billy! yeah, that's what I'm curious bout- ?? is the pressure to "collect on Hillary's blue collar/older women votes that Obama didn't get" going to outweigh the cons of having Billary as VP ?? What I'm watching is the relationship between the key Dem backers and big party bosses, with their beliefs and ideas about whether or not Obama can in fact collect the voter blocks that she had - women, Latinos, bluecollar and what that means for how they relate to Obama. If enough of the key Dem smoke-filled-backroom boys believe that Hillary's voters are going to stay home in November, they are going to put IMMENSE pressure on Obama to take her as VP, just to guarantee those votes show up. It's never completely and purely a candidates' choice as to VP -- they are _always_ pressured in many ways to select this person or that. When that pressure involves funding and real effective support as opposed to empty-promises of support from key Dems, Obama may find it hard not to listen to that pressure. On the other hand, I did read something interesting in Time this weekend--- one writer said that if Hillary pushes hard, then Obama may have to deny her just to appear strong and Presidential, as opposed to appearing to cave in to her pressuring tactics. So if she and Bill get too in-his-face about her being VP, he may have to say no just to show that he CAN say "no" when being pressured over something, no matter what his own intentions might have been.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Playing to a different drummer
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sirlamre wrote:
I agree. I also think the Clinton's are placing enormous pressure on him because of their insatiable appetites for power that they are likely using threats, manipulation, perks and promises. I think Obama based on his circle of friends will also fall pray to such tactics.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: sirlamre wrote: Why do you say that his circle of friends would lead him to do that? If anything, Obama's closest friends are NOT Washington insiders, and want to be independent all that DC Beltway crap. I'd say he has more to worry about with the Dem DC power players in the Party (whose support he has to have in the national campaign) - THEY are the ones who will bow to the Clinton pressure, as they have for years. The Chicago political folks who are Obama's core don't care about DC and the Clintons. That's my take anyhow-- JBF, why do you see Obama's friends as being likely to give in to the Clintons? Do you know something I don't about the people he has at the center of his campaign? 
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sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:sirlamre wrote: My point was that his friends> (those who we see every night on tv from his church bashing the whites) those whom he listened too and supported for 20 or so years) who seek power and change in an angary one-sided way. Obama wants to change life for the african americans in our country and that is his secret plan I think. I have no problem with his desire yet Hillary and Bill will play those cards so he can have a legacy like Martin Luther King.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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It doesn't make any difference really. They're both bad choices!! If he does choose her, he better take out a huge life insurance policy for his wife...................
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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foxglovepress wrote: It doesn't make any difference really. They're both bad choices!! If he does choose her, he better take out a huge life insurance policy for his wife................... Why would Hillary take out his wife? That's a really bitch-revenge-GF-wife-redneck-thought -- I think Hillary would be more likely to hope that something would happen to HIM, so she could be Prez. It wouldn't benefit her AT ALL if his wife died. She wouldn't gain a thing. She isn't aiming for his bed, she's aiming for his office chair! This isn't trailerpark drama between two country women fighting over a good old boy who has a nice truck. Now one thing that MIGHT happen is that Hillary would try hard to dig up some trash on her, provoke Michelle into making an angry racist statement, etc--- BEFORE the election. That'd be stupid, because all it would do is hand the election to McCain, not Hillary. Hillary has no beef with Michelle at all -- they aren't trailer park tarts. She wants Obama's JOB, not his woman. Last edited on 07:11 pm by sirlamre Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! I am but a vassal of Thine, and Thou art, in truth, the King of kings. I have lifted my suppliant hands unto the heaven of Thy grace and Thy bounties. |
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