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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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Wheels wrote: You can check out facts about the Buchenwald system at Nizkor, Wikipedia, The Jewish Virtual Library and many other reputable websites. I gathered all this info in 1998 when I started moderating a number of web discussion groups about the Holocaust. It was not the 80th that liberated Ohrdruft, it was the 89th. The 80th liberated Buchenwald for sure, no argument from me. http://www.89infdivww2.org/ohrdruf/  " The Story of an 89th Liberator  Fifty years have passed since this day but I recall my first impression of the camp called Ohrdruf which I found later was associated administratively with the camp called Buchenwald. Ohrdruf was named after the town of the same name, apparently locally famous for its history of being the place where Johann Sebastian Bach composed some of his works. Bruce Nickols The date was April 4, 1945 and I was on a patrol as a member of the I & R platoon attached to the Headquarters Company of 354th Infantry Regiment, of the 89th Infantry Divisions, 3rd Army U.S.A. As I recall it was a beautiful spring morning marred by the fact that we were under mortar attack. I remember very well my surprise when I observed Brigadier General Robertson strolling upright down the road. He was an elderly avuncular gentleman who thought nonchalance under fire characterized the general officer's role model. I was impressed but remained prone in the drainage ditch until the attack ceased. Shortly thereafter, an acquaintance let it be known that a camp had been liberated further up the hill. Fifty years have passed since this day but I recall my first impression of the camp called Ohrdruf, which I found later, was associated administratively with the camp called Buchenwald. Ohrdruf was named after the town of the same name, apparently locally famous for its history of being the place where Johann Sebastian Bach composed some of his works. From the outside, the camp was unremarkable. It was surrounded by a high barbed wire fence and had a wooden sign which read, "Arbeit Macht Frei." The swinging gate was open, and a young soldier, probably an SS guard, lay dead diagonally across the entrance. The camp was located in the forest and was surrounded by a thick grove of pine and other conifers. The inside of the camp was composed of a large 100 yards square central area which was surrounded by one story barracks painted green which appeared to house 60-100 inmates. As we stepped into the compound one was greeted by an overpowering odor of quick-lime, dirty clothing, feces, and urine. Lying in the center of the square were 60-70 dead prisoners clad in striped clothing and in disarray. They had reportedly been machine gunned the day before because they were too weak to march to another camp. The idea was for the SS and the prisoners to avoid the approaching U.S. Army and the Russians. Adjacent to the "parade ground" was a small shed which was open on one side. Inside, were bodies stacked in alternate directions as one would stack cordwood, and each layer was covered with a sprinkling of quicklime. I did not see him, but someone told me that there had been a body of a dead American aviator in the shed. This place reportedly had been used for punishment, and the inmates were beaten on their back and heads with a shovel. My understanding is that all died following this abuse. I visited some of the surrounding barracks and found live inmates who had hidden during the massacre. They were astounded and appeared to be struggling to understand what was happening. Some were in their 5 tier bunks and some were wandering about. This was the first camp to be "liberated" by the Allied armies in Germany. Orhdruf was visited by Generals Eisenhower, Patton and Bradley and there are photographs of them observing the bodies of the machine-gunned inmates. According to Eisenhower, Patton had refused to visit the punishment shed, as he feared he would become ill. He did vomit at a later time. Further into the camp was evidence of an attempt to exhume and burn large numbers of bodies. There was a gallows, although I really cannot remember whether I saw it or not. I don't remember leaving the camp. I recall being numb after seeing the camp. I had just turned 20 years old and I had read the biographical "Out of the Night." It was a pale and inadequate picture of a German concentration camp by a refugee German author. I recall becoming very upset when we got back to our quarters, but the whole experience was far beyond my understanding. I wrote a letter to my parents describing the experience, which was read at a local gathering of businessmen. It was widely disbelieved. Bruce Nickols, 1998 http://www.89infdivww2.org/ohrdruf/liberate.htm http://www.89infdivww2.org/ohrdruf/liberatephoto.htm Regards, Scott
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Just so you know popeye, I haven't forgotten about the Bahia's involvement in the UN. That subject is not over yet. Regardless of the turns and travels this thread takes, it's all going back to the fact that Obama is not a good choice for president!! He is not, and does not stand for our Conservative and traditional beliefs this country was founded upon. I would tend to listen very closely to veterans who have fought in war's for this country, when it comes to determining who may or may not be a good choice as this countries president............ You may or may not have served or fought for this country popeye, I don't know. I do know that the majority who have, do not like Obama! That tells me a lot!
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foxglovepress wrote: Just so you know popeye, I haven't forgotten about the Bahia's involvement in the UN. That subject is not over yet. Regardless of the turns and travels this thread takes, it's all going back to the fact that Obama is not a good choice for president!! He is not, and does not stand for our Conservative and traditional beliefs this country was founded upon. I would tend to listen very closely to veterans who have fought in war's for this country, when it comes to determining who may or may not be a good choice as this countries president............ You may or may not have served or fought for this country popeye, I don't know. I do know that the majority who have, do not like Obama! That tells me a lot! I am still leaning to McCain myself. But I think it should be understood that Deliberate Falsehood against any campaign is far more worthy of Nazi Germany than these United States. Obama had a great uncle who served in the 89th Infantry Division that liberated one of the Buchenwald sub-camps; Ohrdruf to be exact. So the fact that people deny that the event occured does not speak well for them. To use a mistaken belief to sway the opinions of others is propaganda not truth. That Obama could not remember the right name for the camp in question shows a distinct blab before you consider attitude I do not like. That the U.S. has conservative roots does not alter the fact that the U.S. has progressive and liberal roots as well. The United States is not a shrine it is a dynamic society and things will change as time passes, we should all be used to that by now. Regards, Scott
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Popeyesays wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Just so you know popeye, I haven't forgotten about the Bahia's involvement in the UN. That subject is not over yet. Regardless of the turns and travels this thread takes, it's all going back to the fact that Obama is not a good choice for president!! He is not, and does not stand for our Conservative and traditional beliefs this country was founded upon. I would tend to listen very closely to veterans who have fought in war's for this country, when it comes to determining who may or may not be a good choice as this countries president............ You may or may not have served or fought for this country popeye, I don't know. I do know that the majority who have, do not like Obama! That tells me a lot!
FGP wrote: I personally think you need to look at the candidates themselves for the majority of this.
FGP wrote: This is true. I'm not so sure it's really helped this country. Those traditional and conservative values we use to hold dear, we should still be holding dear.................Our children of today don't know what it's like to have standards and morals of value. The liberal doors have swung too far......... To vote a person in as president whos liberal agenda opens those doors even farther, would be our countries suicide.......... The United States is not a shrine it is a dynamic society and things will change as time passes, we should all be used to that by now. Are you suggesting we tolerate those changes? Because something happens, doesn't mean it should continue. Not as far as I'm concerned anyway.......
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Change can be good OR it can be bad. What exactly are the things Obama is proposing: 1. Removing our troops from Iraq in 18 months with NO expressed consideration for the consequences. 2. Giving government control of hundreds of billions of additional dollars via higher taxes and taking control of health insurance which will... 3. Dramatically increase the size of government. 4. Appointing Supreme Court justices that do NOT value the 2nd amendment rights of American citizens, REGARDLESS of what Obama said after the Heller decision. 5. Establish an energy policy that doesn't include an expansion of our domestical ability to produce oil or increase nuclear power. While we can't drill our way out of our energy woes an energy policy that doesn't include increased domestic oil production and nuclear power is going to take decades impact our need of foreign oil.
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foxglovepress wrote: Popeyesays wrote:foxglovepress wrote:Just so you know popeye, I haven't forgotten about the Bahia's involvement in the UN. That subject is not over yet. Regardless of the turns and travels this thread takes, it's all going back to the fact that Obama is not a good choice for president!! He is not, and does not stand for our Conservative and traditional beliefs this country was founded upon. I would tend to listen very closely to veterans who have fought in war's for this country, when it comes to determining who may or may not be a good choice as this countries president............ You may or may not have served or fought for this country popeye, I don't know. I do know that the majority who have, do not like Obama! That tells me a lot! I'm suggesting your opinion isw one of approximately 350,000,000, that is slightly less than .000000003 percent of what this nation is or is not. We run on the concept that when that reaches somewhere in the vicinity of 50% of the national opinion THEN you get to say what this country is or is not, as long as you protect the rights of the minority to dissent. So what you as an individual or me as an individual wants to tolerate or not tolerate is but a very small crumb of the whole pie. Regards, Scott
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pmh1nic wrote: Change can be good OR it can be bad. . . . . Exactly, but change itself cannot be avoided. This nation is a process, not a fossil. Regards, Scott
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Popeyesays wrote: foxglovepress wrote:Popeyesays wrote:foxglovepress wrote:Just so you know popeye, I haven't forgotten about the Bahia's involvement in the UN. That subject is not over yet. Regardless of the turns and travels this thread takes, it's all going back to the fact that Obama is not a good choice for president!! He is not, and does not stand for our Conservative and traditional beliefs this country was founded upon. I would tend to listen very closely to veterans who have fought in war's for this country, when it comes to determining who may or may not be a good choice as this countries president............ You may or may not have served or fought for this country popeye, I don't know. I do know that the majority who have, do not like Obama! That tells me a lot!  Maybe so popeye......but I can still express it, fight what I think is wrong, and vote for who I think will change it.......
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foxglovepress wrote: Popeyesays wrote:foxglovepress wrote:Popeyesays wrote:foxglovepress wrote:Just so you know popeye, I haven't forgotten about the Bahia's involvement in the UN. That subject is not over yet. Regardless of the turns and travels this thread takes, it's all going back to the fact that Obama is not a good choice for president!! He is not, and does not stand for our Conservative and traditional beliefs this country was founded upon. I would tend to listen very closely to veterans who have fought in war's for this country, when it comes to determining who may or may not be a good choice as this countries president............ You may or may not have served or fought for this country popeye, I don't know. I do know that the majority who have, do not like Obama! That tells me a lot! I posilutely and absitively agree with you. Regards, Scott
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