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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Millennium wrote: Well...that's better than picking up young studs in airport restrooms! 
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Millennium wrote: Why do you think that McCain, who is a dyed-in-the-wool party member I think that "disagreement" has been played up and played up. Sure, it's true. But McCain supporters try to make it sound like McCain had fistfights on the floor of the Senate with every GOP member out there on 85-90% of GOP issues. He is simply not THAT much of an ANTI=GOP platformist, or he'd leave the Party. He has some disagreements=== but like I said, McCain is NOT the Martin Luther of the GOP, having nailed his 95 theses to the door of the Senate chambers In American politics, they LEAVE their Party if they disagree THAT much. The very fact that McCain stays in his Party says volumes about the real statistics of how he really disagrees in a s some people pick out the statistics and wildly wave numbers about, and other people cherry pick a few issues and trumpet about those -- No one takes in the WHOLE picture from end to end, to see how much of a TRUE Reformer McCain has SUCCEEDED in being. I don't care if he disagrees if NO ONE LISTENS --- that means NO ONE WILL LISTEN when he's elected either -- he will merely face an uphill fight on everything he does. That doesn't translate to SUCCESS in those things.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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Millennium wrote:
No, I was not aware of that, I thought he was their "golden boy." Sure he has voted with Bush on several things, 90% of the time? That's not "several" things, that's pretty much everything. And I can't think of a single thing Bush has done good for the country. Honestly. So you really believe that America will return to her former glory under a republican President, specifically McCain? You think he is up to the task? And if he kicks the bucket in office, will you be OK with Palin in command? Does she have military experience?
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SnapNHiss Guardian1000© Member  Meow
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You bet Palin's got experience! She's keeping an eye on Putin's head in the sky:COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?
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Millennium Original500© Member
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Does she have military experience? As much as Obama...and Biden.....How's that make you feel?..and she's just up for VP...not President.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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" Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska." (yeah, to fly right PAST it...) Pretty funny... The military assets of the US stationed in Alaska and the Aleutians DO NOT talk to the Governor of Alaska for tactical and strategic advice, or for policy of ANY kind They tell the Governor of Alaska that the job of the Governor is merely to keep the damn fishing boats and bush planes OUT of their way, and otherwise to sit down and shut UP, because professionals are at work! I have family in the Air Force -- extremely high up (retired now, but still a strategic airwar consultant) I can TELL you that he never spoke to the Governor of Alaska to ask for strategic advice on how to fight Bears over the water between Kamchatka and the Aleutians. He just ordered the bombers off the ground from the US Western bases, and if ANYTHING was said to anyone in Alaska first, it was something like: "Keep your damn Cessna bush pilots on the ground-- we don't want to ingest one into an engine like a duck" Yeah, the Governor of Alaska has been at the HEART of the foreign relations through the entire Cold War, being a close advisor to every President who's had to order aircraft and subs into the North Pacific. BULLSHIT!!! NOT!!!!  What EVER!!!! Pile o political TRIPE like I'd expect from Obama. Last edited on 09:46 pm by sirlamre Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! I am but a vassal of Thine, and Thou art, in truth, the King of kings. I have lifted my suppliant hands unto the heaven of Thy grace and Thy bounties. |
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Millennium Original500© Member
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This is much ado about nothing IYAM...if it gets down to that one thing, we're screwed anyway...None of them are 'experts"...
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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I will agree with everyone who thinks that Palin wouldn't be their first (or second, or third...) choice for a VP. Mill reiterated what I've said before: I'd rather spend 4 years hoping McCain doesn't die than hoping Obama does. The Dems have the wrong person at the top of the ticket. Biden is a guy I could actually vote for if he was the presidential nominee. Obama simply isn't. I think it's also misleading to use a metric of how many times a politician votes with his party, as a percentage of votes. It's as important -- if not more important -- how important the legislation is. If 90% of the votes a senator casts are completely non-controversial, you'd expect a straight party vote. Generally speaking, Democrats represent one view of government, and Republicans represent another. What's important is the controversial legislation -- that legislation that a party really pushes and stakes its claim on, that gets in the news and causes debate. These are the kinds of votes that Kennedy called profiles in courage (and I'm not talking about Ted, either). The question of why McCain is a Republican is prety interesting. People might not remember this, but there was a time after the 2000 election when there was serious talk of McCain switching parties, because of his dusgust with the kind of thing he saw Bush as representing (primarily, the Religious Right). Obviously, he's made his peace with that crowd (or at least, an uneasy truce), but I would submit that his choice of Palin, specifically, is a way to keep them at bay without actually endangering any of his principles. If he chose a VP who was more Cheneyesque (in terms of power-seeking), he'd have to worry about his agenda getting undermined. With Palin, the only thing he has to worry about is keeping above room temperature. Suffice it to say, I would trust McCain to buck his party, when necessary, far more than I would trust Obama.
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Polymath
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If even Brian is willing to vote for a party that has annihilated our country, we're all screwed. Damn, I thought you were smart, Brian.
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Brian wrote: Suffice it to say, I would trust McCain to buck his party, when necessary, far more than I would trust Obama. Exactly right. 
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Saint wrote: If even Brian is willing to vote for a party that has annihilated our country, we're all screwed. Saint: Oh, ye of little faith...  I don't vote for a party when I vote. I vote for a person. If Bush was running again, I wouldn't vote Republican. In fact, if almost anyone running in the primaries other than McCain had come through the Republican primaries (with the possible exception of Thompson, who I liked), and almost anyone other than Obama (with the definite exception of Kucinich, who I loathe) had come through the Democratic primaries, my vote would be flipped. But I can't vote for Obama when McCain is running against him. That's partially because McCain is the moderate Republican I've been waiting to vote for. After the past 8 years, I couldn't vote for someone who thinks exactly like Bush, but I also couldn't vote for someone who doesn't think at all, which is what Obama represents to me. That's not to say that I don't think Obama is an intelligent guy. He certainly does appear to be that. My problem is that he doesn't think for himself. Obama has shown (outside of his speeches) no independent streak at all. And the fact that he's able to favorably compare himself to Palin, rather than McCain, isn't comforting, either. I won't vote for a guy who's main qualification for the presidency is a good speech he gave in 2004. Biden would've been a good choice for the Democrats. Hell, I'd even vote for Gore now (who I didn't vote for his first time on the presidential ticket). But if I acknowledge that the country is a mess in a lot of ways (particularly financially) right now, I can't in good conscience vote for a guy who's wet behind the ears, just because he's not Bush. In the first place, McCain isn't Bush. And I'm not Bush, either. That doesn't mean I'd make a good president.
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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