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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Political Matters > Obama will win by a small landslide |
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Erinna1112 wrote:
Great point, I meant to say that basic thing and forgot. There are others in Government besides Repubs and Dems.
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24HourNut wrote: Erinna1112 wrote: There are absolutely other choices. And they've had some success -- at the state level, where things aren't always so rigged against them. The problem is that on a national level, they've never stood a chance. I'd point you again to Nader. All his presidential candidacies have done is help elect Republicans. At the very least, we have a de facto two party system. That's not going to change as the result of any presidential election. It's only going to change if people vote in enough third party candidates to Congress to actually get the election laws changed. The bar to running for president needs to be lowered to allow those candidates who aren't backed by the two parties in power to compete. If they can't qualify for the debates under the current rules, then the rules need to be changed. Until that happens, Erinna has the right attitude: Vote for whoever you want, but don't hide behind, "Don't blame me. I didn't vote for the guy who won." By casting your vote for someone who couldn't win, you failed to support someone who could win. Take Nader out of the 2000 election, and Gore would've been president, and the term "hanging chad" would never have entered the national lexicon.
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wallstreetman Original500© Member Patriot
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Erinna1112 wrote: Fox, what evidence do you have that convinces you Obama is a Muslim? What if he was? This is the kind of thinking thats in line with the Republicon Party, if you're not a Christian, you're a Anti- American Sub- Human! News Flash, Not all Muslims are terrorists, and one of the reasons we left England was to have religous freedom! Happy Thanksgiving!
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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If you deem both Major Parties as the same or worth the same, then voting against them is a very important thing to do. I think the more people that vote for third parties the better, because the more politicians see the lost votes, the more they will feel compelled to take up the issues and perform for those votes. So on that level alone I think it's a good idea. If it's true that both major Parties are going to keep harming, bankrupting, and ignoring our needs for real change and repair, then every single vote they don't get is a smart, important vote. Both Major Parties have a scam going. They have screwed us and can keep screwing us without fear of losing their status or jobs, really. We are screwed from the inevitable corruption and bloat the Founders warned about. Unless we start voting them OUT. That is our tool.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Brian wrote: I'd point you again to Nader. All his presidential candidacies have done is help elect Republicans. This is SO true!! As I posted in another thread, if you do not honestly KNOW that your third party candidate has MORE experience and knowledge of foreign policy, MORE experience and knowledge of forming NATIONAL policy and legislation, GREATER experience with working with other nations and other Presidents/Prime Ministers, dealing with international crisis, major natural disasters than either of the leading two candidates and if you really honestly believe that your third party candidate would not result in a deadlocked government because no one in the two Parties would work with them on ANYTHING whatsoever. you are then doing a "protest vote" and if you vote Nader, you're handing the election to McCain, and I don't know about Barr or the others. Either way, you're not picking the best of two who are less than we need you're simply giving up ALL control or involvement whatsoever. As I also said in that other thread-- The two Parties ARE NOT going to see your vote as a threat in ANY way.. They are simply going to ignore it, and even if 25% voted third, they'd still just wait until 2012, and then start "halfway" acting like some mix of the third parties, just to make it appear like they cared. Brian is right though--- CONGRESS is where to vote third-- at the STATE level. Vote third for various people in your STATE races..... I wouldn't bother with voting third for a Presidential candiate *yet* That's just handing free votes to one of the two Parties. Last edited on 03:41 pm by sirlamre |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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24HourNut wrote: the more politicians see the lost votes, the more they will feel compelled to take up the issues and perform for those votes. Absolutely untrue, except at the State level. That, and we should DEMAND most of all that laws are passed that NO ONE who cannot VOTE, cannot control, donate, or ANYTHING else. THAT will do much to remove corruption Get those lobbyists, special interest groups, and CORPORATIONS completely OUT of the election process, and you'd see a LOT of the people who run decide NOT to since there wouldn't be $$millions$$ in the "campaign industry" any more
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The only reason they are allowed to receive money from corporations is because we the People ALLOW the politicians/Government to get away with it. Government inherently wants to control and get more, be corrupt (work for itself instead of the People), and bloat. The Founders warned about it. We the People allow corporate donations and influence with out votes toward the Parties that condone and engage in it. Period.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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24HourNut wrote: The only reason they are allowed to receive money from corporations is because we the People ALLOW the politicians/Government to get away with it. Government inherently wants to control and get more, be corrupt (work for itself instead of the People), and bloat. The Founders warned about it. We the People allow corporate donations and influence with out votes toward the Parties that condone and engage in it. Period. Very true-- But voting third Party isn't what will change that. A national letter writing campaign with organized lists of what 300 milliong Americans WANT will be more effective. When all members of Congress get the SAME letter signed by MILLIONS of people, asking that funding be revised in the SAME way, they won't have the option to come up with their own plan, full of corporate loopholes, etc. It's just that no one can organize the entire country that way--- There are a LOT of things that if only people would speak with UNITY to the elected leaders, they would obey. Trouble is, we Americans cannot all agree on HOW to get business OUT of politics Mill and Aethel and others actually WANT their companies to have power over politicians to get what they want. They believe (aethel has stated more than once to me) that companies have just as much rights as a citizen does before the government. I believe that companies should ONLY be able to ask their customers and employees to vote to get them what they want. That way, they have to be GOOD to their cusotmers and employees to get anything they want! Last edited on 04:49 pm by sirlamre |
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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wallstreetman wrote: Erinna1112 wrote:Fox, what evidence do you have that convinces you Obama is a Muslim? wallstreetman, I'm not even going to respond to this. Check out the thread sirlamre started asking me about Obama and the Muslims. You've got your thoughts, and I've got mine! I'm not bending either!
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sirlamre wrote: 24HourNut wrote:The only reason they are allowed to receive money from corporations is because we the People ALLOW the politicians/Government to get away with it. Government inherently wants to control and get more, be corrupt (work for itself instead of the People), and bloat. The Founders warned about it. We the People allow corporate donations and influence with out votes toward the Parties that condone and engage in it. Period. I disagree - nothing speaks louder than our votes. I'll take a unified vote to fire all the whores over letters any day. You can write letters all day and that threat is dwarfed by the threat of votes. Showing we will not tolerate the corruption with our votes speaks louder and is a more effective threat than anything, including mailing lists. There is one exception to the above - the threat, ability, and willingness to kill them (a revolution). I am not suggesting that, I am saying besides that, votes are the most powerful threat and tool.
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