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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Saint wrote: foxglovepress wrote:  By..........
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member 
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"Now, which team are you going to hire?" Not the team that is promoting a massive increase in federal spending and the size of the federal budget. Not the team that believes a huge step in the direction of socialism is the direction we should be taking.
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Brian wrote: The difference I see is that McCain at least recognizes spending as a problem, whereas Obama doesn't seem to. That was my general impression too. I also find Obama's comments regarding fiscal discipline to be disingenuous.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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pmh1nic wrote: "Now, which team are you going to hire?" I really absolutely DO NOT see ANY evidence that McCain is ANY sort of guarantee that it isn't going to go that way. His form of socialism is to allow the creation of mega-companies to do the socialising FOR the government. That's just as bad as the government doing it -- especially with extremely little very ineffective regulation of those companies. I've seen my healthcare payments go up over 500% in the last 8 years, while the fine print of what is NOT COVERED is getting larger and larger. That's the result of corporatizing healthcare and allowing "market forces" (aka, executives agreeing on the golf course what they'll pay for and what they'll charge for it) to "drive" the industry. When I see that McCain wants to REMOVE the ability of my Elected State to control the quality of the insurance in MY state, I do NOT want to vote for him! He is trying to BS me into believing that I can buy better insurance that way ---- but what is REALLY going on is that insurance companies are GETTING OUT FROM UNDER regulations that ENSURE fairness to the customer. Once they're ALL allowed to be out from under anything that actually makes them HAVE to work for us -- you can be SURE that we'll be paying LOTS of $$$ for a lot LESS actual coverage. 8 years of Bush has PROVEN what the morality and ethics of Wall Street and corporate boardrooms REALLY will do to their customers, given half a chance!
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When I said:
I think I was not being precise enough. What I should've said was, McCain's rhetoric recognizes spending as a problem, whereas Obama's does not. Whether their respective policies would do so is another question. In that respect, I think McCain's record is more in sync with those concerns than Obama's is.
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Isn't Obama's voting record in regard to spending on the most extreme left?
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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sirlamre wrote:[ ---- but what is REALLY going on is that insurance companies are GETTING OUT FROM UNDER regulations that ENSURE fairness to the customer. Don't even get me going on insurance companies. They're the Devil Himself. And if regulating greedy banks, greedy insurance companies, and oversea-job-exporting companies is socialism... Call me a socialist!!!
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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Saint wrote: sirlamre wrote: Regulating greedy banks, insurance companies, and overseas-job-exporting companies isn't socialism. Having the government owning them is socialism. That's why so many Republicans are pissed off at Paulson right now. Why would the government run the banks any better than they run anything else (with the exception of the military)? It's true (as you and I have discussed) that the government is better at doing some things, but I don't think money and business isn't one of them. Allowing the government to start controling busineses (rather than just passing laws to regulate their behavior) is a dark road to go down.
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"I really absolutely DO NOT see ANY evidence that McCain is ANY sort of guarantee that it isn't going to go that way." Actually there are no guarantees and I'm not under any illusion that McCain can stop the flood, but at least he has made some statements that address the arrest of the growth of the government. "His form of socialism is to allow the creation of mega-companies to do the socialising FOR the government." I'm not saying no regulation or control of corporations. Let's regulate corporation but not tax them to death and force them to make capital investiments overseas. Also, a corporation can't arrest me and throw me into prison for not buying their products. They can't force my employer to turn over 15%, 20% or 30% of my income.
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Brian wrote: When I said: Obama has REPEATEDLY criticized the overspending and unnecessary programs the other Congressmen/women and Senators have opined during the Bush Tragedy. Some people will hear what they want to hear or will hear only what their limited intelligence will allow them to hear. This is not directed at you Brian. Dr. Steve
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Good. As long as you're not voting for McSame, I'm cool with that. You don't honestly think that we all sit around and wonder if "Saint" is "Cool" with the way we vote, do you? I'm with Brian on this.(lesser of two evils) They both suck...........especially Obama, and with that thought, I will be voting for McCain. And for those who choose to vote for Obama, I'M COOL WITH THAT!!!! And, oh yeah............I'm with Fox on this one also..............I believe Obama has Muslim ties and that is just ONE reason out of a gajillion that I won't vote for him.
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aknow wrote: Brian wrote:When I said: On the stump, what I've heard from Obama in terms of overspending has been almost exclusively (and I use the word almost since I don't remember every word of every speech, obviously) aimed at the Iraq War and the 2001 tax cuts. Ending the Iraq War would certainly keep us from spending it in Iraq, but the costs might not be "saved" as such, as Obama wants to shift those forces to Afghanistan. (I'm not saying that's a bad idea, at this point. In the 2010-2011 timeframe that's being talked about now, it might be. I'm just saying that it's not necessarily a money saver.) And of course, eliminating a tax cut isn't the same thing as controling spending. That money isn't money the government is giving out. It's money the government isn't taking in. (In other words, the government isn't "spending" money on tax cuts. It's simply not collecting the money in the frist place.)
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dazdncnfsd wrote:...I believe Obama has Muslim ties ...and all Muslims are bad people. Including those that are American citizens and have been for centuries. You as good as said it. Prove to me that you are not in the same boat as Foxglovepress, discriminating against your fellow Americans. I dare you to post, "Not all Muslims are bad people and many are law-abiding American citizens just like me." Really, I dare you. I'll bet just reading that statement sticks in your craw. If you can't post it, then you believe all Muslims are terrorists.
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Brian wrote:Allowing the government to start controling busineses (rather than just passing laws to regulate their behavior) is a dark road to go down. Absolutely right. I'm actually for a complete Wall Street crash.I'd love to see rich CEOs throwing themselves out 40th story windows. No matter how much it hurts, you can't recover from cancer until you cut it out. In America, if you make bad decisions as a person or a company, you go down. You don't get handouts from the government and you certainly don't get absolved of responsibility. That's our way. To the people who will get their mortgages refinanced or paid off. How is that fair to me? I pay my fixed rate mortgage on time by working three jobs! So for being responsible, I get the shaft? $%#@*&%$#!!!!?!!!!
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Saint wrote: foxglovepress wrote: FGP wrote: Did I say I had no faith in God??
FGP WROTE: I'm not done with you Saint! How in the hell do you get out of this statement anything other than I don't care about what other people believe?? Show me where I stated I don't believe in God!! Be honest Foxglovepress...YOU WANT TO THROW EVERY MUSLIM IN THIS COUNTRY OUT, DON'T YOU??!!! FGP WROTE: That's just about the dumbest statement I've heard, and from a teacher no less!! Read my lips Saint,.............What I do care about is a possibility of my next president having any ties with a group of people threatening American people. NOW, say after me, I care about the POSSIBILITY of my next president having ANY TIES with a group of peopleTthreating AMERICAN PEOPLE. Do the Muslims not have ties with Al Quata?? DUH! For you to make the statement you just did about me wanting ALL Muslims out of this country is pathetic!
FGP WROTE: No Saint, I didn't dodge the question! I just didn't think it was worth answering. You've got your answer now though.............
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