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shirohniichan wrote: Getting back to the original point, I was again troubled seeing marriage redefiners holding up posters with swastikas on them in front of a local church. The 70th anniversary of Kristalnacht was only a few days ago, and it chutzpadic in the extreme to compare the "suffering" of marriage redefiners with that of those beaten and arrested back then (let alone those who were gassed and shot).

Hyperbole and exaggeration do nothing to further political discourse. They only result in opposite sides yelling at each other.

Gays have been kept in a similar position to other minorities that have had their freedom trampled upon, made to be second class, having to fight for equality and fairness to get past the residue of archaic bs.




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24HourNut wrote: shirohniichan wrote: Getting back to the original point, I was again troubled seeing marriage redefiners holding up posters with swastikas on them in front of a local church. The 70th anniversary of Kristalnacht was only a few days ago, and it chutzpadic in the extreme to compare the "suffering" of marriage redefiners with that of those beaten and arrested back then (let alone those who were gassed and shot).

Hyperbole and exaggeration do nothing to further political discourse. They only result in opposite sides yelling at each other.

Gays have been kept in a similar position to other minorities that have had their freedom trampled upon, made to be second class, having to fight for equality and fairness to get past the residue of archaic bs.


I've got no problem with gay civil unions, and I don't hate gays. I don't think there are many conservatives who do. Their businesses and homes are not being destroyed, nor are they being arrested, beaten, killled, etc. This is not Kristalnacht Part II, Auschwitz revisited, Internment again, Trail of Tears redux, or anything of the kind.

It's time to stop with the exaggeration. Not wanting to redefine marriage is not totalitarianism, Naziism, or the denying of civil rights.
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shirohniichan wrote: Not wanting to redefine marriage is not totalitarianism, Naziism, or the denying of civil rights.
Do you think the "separate but not equal" argument to stop segregation of Blacks was valid?

I do understand that there is a "tradition" attached to the term "marriage" but the problem is once tax dollars and the Government got involved, now an equality standard has to be applied - a standard already established in its own anti-discrimination legislation.

If Government is going to be in the tax-funded marriage benefits and convenience business, it has to treat gays as equals.  In my view, anyway. 

Otherwise, you are telling homosexuals to use a different water fountain.

That being said, I think unions that bestow the same exact benefits and conveniences are a reasonable solution but I'm not so sure it doesn't equate to segregation on principle.




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24HourNut wrote:

If Government is going to be in the tax-funded marriage benefits and convenience business, it has to treat gays as equals.  In my view, anyway. 

Otherwise, you are telling homosexuals to use a different water fountain.

That being said, I think unions that bestow the same exact benefits and conveniences are a reasonable solution but I'm not so sure it doesn't equate to segregation on principle.


lol. Yeah. You can't drink at the white fountain, and we won't build you a black fountain, but here's a gray fountain for you that has the same water.




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24HourNut wrote: shirohniichan wrote: Not wanting to redefine marriage is not totalitarianism, Naziism, or the denying of civil rights.
Do you think the "separate but not equal" argument to stop segregation of Blacks was valid?

I do understand that there is a "tradition" attached to the term "marriage" but the problem is once tax dollars and the Government got involved, now an equality standard has to be applied - a standard already established in its own anti-discrimination legislation.

If Government is going to be in the tax-funded marriage benefits and convenience business, it has to treat gays as equals.  In my view, anyway. 

Otherwise, you are telling homosexuals to use a different water fountain.

That being said, I think unions that bestow the same exact benefits and conveniences are a reasonable solution but I'm not so sure it doesn't equate to segregation on principle.


Nope. I don't believe in separate but equal. Give gay couples tax benefits if that makes them happy. They don't need to change the definition of marriage to accomplish that.

The further away we get from the Enlightenment, the less we are able to have rational discourse and the more we lump disparate issues together as if they were one. :hopeless:

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shirohniichan wrote: 24HourNut wrote: shirohniichan wrote: Not wanting to redefine marriage is not totalitarianism, Naziism, or the denying of civil rights.
Do you think the "separate but not equal" argument to stop segregation of Blacks was valid?

I do understand that there is a "tradition" attached to the term "marriage" but the problem is once tax dollars and the Government got involved, now an equality standard has to be applied - a standard already established in its own anti-discrimination legislation.

If Government is going to be in the tax-funded marriage benefits and convenience business, it has to treat gays as equals.  In my view, anyway. 

Otherwise, you are telling homosexuals to use a different water fountain.

That being said, I think unions that bestow the same exact benefits and conveniences are a reasonable solution but I'm not so sure it doesn't equate to segregation on principle.


Nope. I don't believe in separate but equal. Give gay couples tax benefits if that makes them happy. They don't need to change the definition of marriage to accomplish that.

The further away we get from the Enlightenment, the less we are able to have rational discourse and the more we lump disparate issues together as if they were one. :hopeless:

Or, you just have a view about "separate but equal" that isn't OK to everyone.




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