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Gator5220 wrote: 24HourNut wrote: Gator5220 wrote: I don't have all the answers, but I can guarantee you if it was in the best interest for my family to cross the border to find better work and support my family, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Would you even consider crossing the border the legal way?
Of course I would. If your family was starving, wouldn't you dumpster-dive first before you shoplifted if you were that desperate?
I felt like you were excusing or defending illegal immigration due to the circumstances of your hypothetical and because that was the heart of the discussion. No one blames people for coming over legally so your reaction seemed to have addressed those expressing concern about illegal immigration. I didn't realize that you meant legally crossing the border.
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foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: I understand everything you just said. Clearly.
What would you do if placed in that position? I mean really placed in that position. We are a borderline third world country, and your family is dirt poor. By crossing that border, work is waiting on you offering multiples of what you currently make.
What would you do?
I would see what I had to do to cross it legally first off. If I couldn't, I in all honestly might give it a go. THEN you want to know what I'd do? I'd stay out of the peoples faces!! I'd respect them!! I would be very careful not to cross them or abuse their country while I was there! And I sure as HELL wouldn't be demanding rights in their country while I was illegal to begin with!! Now that's how I would do it, and it's how I demand they do it!! Get out of my face, my pocket book, my job, or get out of my country!!!
Thank you for giving an honest answer. And I sincerely mean that.
While it is true that a small percentage of them do seem to have latched on to our entitlement system (they are fast learners I suppose, but we kinda set the example in this area), the vast majority live here are very quiet and unassuming, fearful of being caught.
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Posted: 05:42 am |
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24HourNut wrote: Gator5220 wrote: 24HourNut wrote: Gator5220 wrote: I don't have all the answers, but I can guarantee you if it was in the best interest for my family to cross the border to find better work and support my family, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Would you even consider crossing the border the legal way?
Of course I would. If your family was starving, wouldn't you dumpster-dive first before you shoplifted if you were that desperate?
I felt like you were excusing illegal immigration due to the circumstances of your hypothetical. I didn't realize that you meant legally crossing the border.
My apologies then. I never intended to imply it's ok to cross the border illegally, but I am trying to give you a different perspective on the issue to hopefully make you understand they "why" behind their actions.
This hypothetical is actually a reality for a lot of them, by the way. A lot of them are coming here to simply make a better way for their families. Hmmm, that sounds familiar, doesn't it?
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Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: I understand everything you just said. Clearly.
What would you do if placed in that position? I mean really placed in that position. We are a borderline third world country, and your family is dirt poor. By crossing that border, work is waiting on you offering multiples of what you currently make.
What would you do?
I would see what I had to do to cross it legally first off. If I couldn't, I in all honestly might give it a go. THEN you want to know what I'd do? I'd stay out of the peoples faces!! I'd respect them!! I would be very careful not to cross them or abuse their country while I was there! And I sure as HELL wouldn't be demanding rights in their country while I was illegal to begin with!! Now that's how I would do it, and it's how I demand they do it!! Get out of my face, my pocket book, my job, or get out of my country!!!
Thank you for giving an honest answer. And I sincerely mean that.
While it is true that a small percentage of them do seem to have latched on to our entitlement system (they are fast learners I suppose, but we kinda set the example in this area), the vast majority live here are very quiet and unassuming, fearful of being caught.
You seem to except the fact that their here, and just kind of live with it...am I right? Do you realize they are in fact slowly taking over? Or do you feel it's not a real threat? By the way, why didn't you answer UTR's question? She had a reason for asking it, I'm sure.
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Posted: 05:54 am |
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foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: I understand everything you just said. Clearly.
What would you do if placed in that position? I mean really placed in that position. We are a borderline third world country, and your family is dirt poor. By crossing that border, work is waiting on you offering multiples of what you currently make.
What would you do?
I would see what I had to do to cross it legally first off. If I couldn't, I in all honestly might give it a go. THEN you want to know what I'd do? I'd stay out of the peoples faces!! I'd respect them!! I would be very careful not to cross them or abuse their country while I was there! And I sure as HELL wouldn't be demanding rights in their country while I was illegal to begin with!! Now that's how I would do it, and it's how I demand they do it!! Get out of my face, my pocket book, my job, or get out of my country!!!
Thank you for giving an honest answer. And I sincerely mean that.
While it is true that a small percentage of them do seem to have latched on to our entitlement system (they are fast learners I suppose, but we kinda set the example in this area), the vast majority live here are very quiet and unassuming, fearful of being caught.
You seem to except the fact that their here, and just kind of live with it...am I right? Do you realize they are in fact slowly taking over? Or do you feel it's not a real threat? By the way, why didn't you answer UTR's question? She had a reason for asking it, I'm sure.
What question didn't I answer? If it was the part asking about how far I would go in breaking the law, I can't really answer that because I don't know. For example, I'm pretty sure I'd kill a home intruder in self defense, but I don't know for sure I'd summon the courage because I've never been in that situation.
I don't just simply accept that they're here. I do, however, understand why they are here. They are here for the same reasons we are: To find a better life. And no, I don't see them as a threat.
Do you think the Native Americans saw us as a threat? Or invaders?
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Posted: 06:16 am |
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Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: I understand everything you just said. Clearly.
What would you do if placed in that position? I mean really placed in that position. We are a borderline third world country, and your family is dirt poor. By crossing that border, work is waiting on you offering multiples of what you currently make.
What would you do?
I would see what I had to do to cross it legally first off. If I couldn't, I in all honestly might give it a go. THEN you want to know what I'd do? I'd stay out of the peoples faces!! I'd respect them!! I would be very careful not to cross them or abuse their country while I was there! And I sure as HELL wouldn't be demanding rights in their country while I was illegal to begin with!! Now that's how I would do it, and it's how I demand they do it!! Get out of my face, my pocket book, my job, or get out of my country!!!
Thank you for giving an honest answer. And I sincerely mean that.
While it is true that a small percentage of them do seem to have latched on to our entitlement system (they are fast learners I suppose, but we kinda set the example in this area), the vast majority live here are very quiet and unassuming, fearful of being caught.
You seem to except the fact that their here, and just kind of live with it...am I right? Do you realize they are in fact slowly taking over? Or do you feel it's not a real threat? By the way, why didn't you answer UTR's question? She had a reason for asking it, I'm sure.
What question didn't I answer? If it was the part asking about how far I would go in breaking the law, I can't really answer that because I don't know. For example, I'm pretty sure I'd kill a home intruder in self defense, but I don't know for sure I'd summon the courage because I've never been in that situation.
I don't just simply accept that they're here. I do, however, understand why they are here. They are here for the same reasons we are: To find a better life. And no, I don't see them as a threat.
Do you think the Native Americans saw us as a threat? Or invaders?
Of course they did.........and now after the fact, can you blame them? I too understand why some of the illegals are here, and unfortunataly I understand I think, more than you do......... Iwish you did care, it would make it a lot easier if people did.
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Posted: 06:24 am |
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foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: I understand everything you just said. Clearly.
What would you do if placed in that position? I mean really placed in that position. We are a borderline third world country, and your family is dirt poor. By crossing that border, work is waiting on you offering multiples of what you currently make.
What would you do?
I would see what I had to do to cross it legally first off. If I couldn't, I in all honestly might give it a go. THEN you want to know what I'd do? I'd stay out of the peoples faces!! I'd respect them!! I would be very careful not to cross them or abuse their country while I was there! And I sure as HELL wouldn't be demanding rights in their country while I was illegal to begin with!! Now that's how I would do it, and it's how I demand they do it!! Get out of my face, my pocket book, my job, or get out of my country!!!
Thank you for giving an honest answer. And I sincerely mean that.
While it is true that a small percentage of them do seem to have latched on to our entitlement system (they are fast learners I suppose, but we kinda set the example in this area), the vast majority live here are very quiet and unassuming, fearful of being caught.
You seem to except the fact that their here, and just kind of live with it...am I right? Do you realize they are in fact slowly taking over? Or do you feel it's not a real threat? By the way, why didn't you answer UTR's question? She had a reason for asking it, I'm sure.
What question didn't I answer? If it was the part asking about how far I would go in breaking the law, I can't really answer that because I don't know. For example, I'm pretty sure I'd kill a home intruder in self defense, but I don't know for sure I'd summon the courage because I've never been in that situation.
I don't just simply accept that they're here. I do, however, understand why they are here. They are here for the same reasons we are: To find a better life. And no, I don't see them as a threat.
Do you think the Native Americans saw us as a threat? Or invaders?
Of course they did.........and now after the fact, can you blame them? I too understand why some of the illegals are here, and unfortunataly I understand I think, more than you do......... Iwish you did care, it would make it a lot easier if people did.
What would be made easier if people cared?
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Posted: 06:28 am |
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Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: I understand everything you just said. Clearly.
What would you do if placed in that position? I mean really placed in that position. We are a borderline third world country, and your family is dirt poor. By crossing that border, work is waiting on you offering multiples of what you currently make.
What would you do?
I would see what I had to do to cross it legally first off. If I couldn't, I in all honestly might give it a go. THEN you want to know what I'd do? I'd stay out of the peoples faces!! I'd respect them!! I would be very careful not to cross them or abuse their country while I was there! And I sure as HELL wouldn't be demanding rights in their country while I was illegal to begin with!! Now that's how I would do it, and it's how I demand they do it!! Get out of my face, my pocket book, my job, or get out of my country!!!
Thank you for giving an honest answer. And I sincerely mean that.
While it is true that a small percentage of them do seem to have latched on to our entitlement system (they are fast learners I suppose, but we kinda set the example in this area), the vast majority live here are very quiet and unassuming, fearful of being caught.
You seem to except the fact that their here, and just kind of live with it...am I right? Do you realize they are in fact slowly taking over? Or do you feel it's not a real threat? By the way, why didn't you answer UTR's question? She had a reason for asking it, I'm sure.
What question didn't I answer? If it was the part asking about how far I would go in breaking the law, I can't really answer that because I don't know. For example, I'm pretty sure I'd kill a home intruder in self defense, but I don't know for sure I'd summon the courage because I've never been in that situation.
I don't just simply accept that they're here. I do, however, understand why they are here. They are here for the same reasons we are: To find a better life. And no, I don't see them as a threat.
Do you think the Native Americans saw us as a threat? Or invaders?
Of course they did.........and now after the fact, can you blame them? I too understand why some of the illegals are here, and unfortunataly I understand I think, more than you do......... Iwish you did care, it would make it a lot easier if people did.
What would be made easier if people cared?
Oh boy..........I'm tired and going to bed. I have to do this tomorrow.
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foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Gator5220 wrote: I understand everything you just said. Clearly.
What would you do if placed in that position? I mean really placed in that position. We are a borderline third world country, and your family is dirt poor. By crossing that border, work is waiting on you offering multiples of what you currently make.
What would you do?
I would see what I had to do to cross it legally first off. If I couldn't, I in all honestly might give it a go. THEN you want to know what I'd do? I'd stay out of the peoples faces!! I'd respect them!! I would be very careful not to cross them or abuse their country while I was there! And I sure as HELL wouldn't be demanding rights in their country while I was illegal to begin with!! Now that's how I would do it, and it's how I demand they do it!! Get out of my face, my pocket book, my job, or get out of my country!!!
Thank you for giving an honest answer. And I sincerely mean that.
While it is true that a small percentage of them do seem to have latched on to our entitlement system (they are fast learners I suppose, but we kinda set the example in this area), the vast majority live here are very quiet and unassuming, fearful of being caught.
You seem to except the fact that their here, and just kind of live with it...am I right? Do you realize they are in fact slowly taking over? Or do you feel it's not a real threat? By the way, why didn't you answer UTR's question? She had a reason for asking it, I'm sure.
What question didn't I answer? If it was the part asking about how far I would go in breaking the law, I can't really answer that because I don't know. For example, I'm pretty sure I'd kill a home intruder in self defense, but I don't know for sure I'd summon the courage because I've never been in that situation.
I don't just simply accept that they're here. I do, however, understand why they are here. They are here for the same reasons we are: To find a better life. And no, I don't see them as a threat.
Do you think the Native Americans saw us as a threat? Or invaders?
Of course they did.........and now after the fact, can you blame them? I too understand why some of the illegals are here, and unfortunataly I understand I think, more than you do......... Iwish you did care, it would make it a lot easier if people did.
What would be made easier if people cared?
Oh boy..........I'm tired and going to bed. I have to do this tomorrow.
Ok. Good night. 
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Gator5220 wrote: 24HourNut wrote: Gator5220 wrote: I don't have all the answers, but I can guarantee you if it was in the best interest for my family to cross the border to find better work and support my family, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Would you even consider crossing the border the legal way?
Of course I would. If your family was starving, wouldn't you dumpster-dive first before you shoplifted if you were that desperate?
When it comes to Mexico, it's not horrific living conditions that's driving them out.
It's the free social programs and financial services here in America.
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Millions of immigrates have come to this country legally. Looking the other way with respect to the millions of others that have broken the law and entered the country illegal is a big slap in the face to those that have respected the laws of this country and sacrificed to do the right thing.
As we have discussed in the past there are two major issues we need to deal with.
The first and more important in my opinion is keeping any more illegal immigrants out of the country.
The second is developing a policy for some means by which those that are already here illegally are either deported (starting with the thousands locked up in our prisons) or put on a path towards legal status that would NOT included citizenship.
This legal status would grant them the right to work, pay taxes, travel within the country and after ten years of legal status automatic provide automatic citizenship for their children born in this country.
This legal status would NOT include the right to vote, own firearms or hold public office. During this ten year period if you commit two misdemeanors or one felony you're out of here.
Now that I've blown off steam do I think any of this is going to happen? Not! The Hispanic voting block in this country has reach a point that most politicians running for the Senate or Presidency won't touch these proposals with a ten foot pole.
Sorry FGP, in my opinion the cause is lost.
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It's hard for me to blame the man trying to provide for his family...if it were me living in Mexico, I would be tempted to come here..
I put the blame on the son of a bitches that HIRE the illegals..they know the law, and break it for the cheaper labor costs. If they quit hiring the illegals, the ones coming here would be a lot more likely to become legal so they can work like the system was designed.
Take away the "I'll turn my head and hire you" factor, and the illegals will lose a lot of the incentive to come here without the proper paperwork...
Severely punish the business that hire them, lock the owners up and make it totally unprofitable to hire the illegals.
It's a lot easier that way....
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"Severely punish the business that hire them, lock the owners up and make it totally unprofitable to hire the illegals."
I agree but we need to understand that if we did this the cost of many basic consumer goods including produce and clothing would rise dramatically.
The immigration is a two-edged sword. The cost of "legalizing" (only employing legal workers) companies and industries that hire illegals would be transferred to us the consumer.
On principle I say let the transfer begin. The increased cost of goods and services would be somewhat offset by clearing out our prisons of illegals, reduction in the cost of dealing with crime commited by illegals, decreased in welfare cost, etc.
Would there be an equal offset? I don't know.
Anyway, it ain't going to happen in my opinion.
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I agree but we need to understand that if we did this the cost of many basic consumer goods including produce and clothing would rise dramatically.
Not necessarily...it might spike initially, but the free market should take over and competiton would drive the cost down.
Just because the workers are here illegally and then go legal, doesn't mean they'll automatically demand more money......there will still be those that will work for the lower wage, and if more are competing for the job, then the prices should remain stable.
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