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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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I got some pretty disheartening news last night, right when I'm beginning my fight here in my state. Monday afternoon, I got a phone call from two men who have started a petition here called 1-409. This petition DEMANDS this state to ENFORCE the laws against illegals!! Well, you just know I had them stop here on their way home to Seattle. We had quite an afternoon talking about what our governor has done to ruin our state, as well as some other things going on here. I really enjoyed talking with people who are fighting the same battle as me.....right here in person! I jumped on the band wagon when they asked, and now I'll even be speaking on the radio here in this state. Sooooo......things are moving right along right? WRONG! The man coordinating this petition, wanted to have someone else contact me. Stan Blunt, the head of a group out of the Greys Harbor area. This man is also trying to sue Washington State Labor & Industries for pandering to, and aiding and abetting the illegals! He, called me last night......... People, you have no idea what's happening here in our country! You who call me a racist should get your heads out of you asses and really delve into this war here in our country. Those of you who say my anger is becoming me........pay attention here! ICE tells me they only go after large companies who hire illegals. Well Greys Harbor has some huge ones. Hundreds of illegals working in the salal business there. Labor and Industries just finished a 4 year investigation into the illegal problem in that county. Do you know what the out come was, what they told this group behind closed doors? ............"We need to back away, drop this, and let it go"!! Reason being?? If we don't drop this it will "snowball!" If we go after this corporation, it will start a landslide we can't possibly deal with!! This would lead to all the lumber businesses, the agriculture, the potato farmer the builder (construction......HELLO) the plumbers, etc. etc. on and on......... Publicly, they used the reason that the investigator doing the 4 year investigation, wasn't qualified!! Moved him into a different position. He's still on the payroll, and has a better job! So, this man told me that no matter how hard I try, no matter how much public out cry I gain with my sons death, big business will shut it down, and I'll have to be looking over my shoulder for a long time........... I told him that if we take this battle out of this state, go nation wide with it and tell the American people the Patriots that is, how were losing our country to cheap labor, the government can't hide and get away with it forever........ Stan told me La Rasia has a group there in the area. They came right out and said, "You talk visa and SSN's, YOU will be run out and YOU will need those to come back here to OUR land!! There's a real war going on right under your nose, our government is allowing it to happen for the sake of big business, and many of you "Equal Rights people, are losing YOUR RIGHTS!! Here's a picture of this man and what he and other people in the group are fighting. I cant' tell you how discouraged I'm getting. I know a couple of you have warned me of the downhill battle, but when you're fight to get somewhere, you just don't stop walking because someone tells you the roads closed! Time to re group......... County urged to act By Montesano Monday afternoon as Craig Fisher from Yakima holds up a protest sign and an American flag. About 30 people from across the state gathered outside the county offices to raise awareness for what they believe is an illegal immigration problem on Grays Harbor.��  MONTESANO — More than 30 activists against illegal immigration from around the state staged a protest in front of and inside the historic County Courthouse and nearby administration building Monday. They said the county isn’t doing enough to ensure that those picking greenery and planting seedlings on county-owned forest land are in the country legally. It’s an issue that’s also cropped up in the county commissioner races this year. “Suspected illegal aliens are working on county property with your full knowledge and consent,” Hal Washburn, a national vetting officer with the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, told the county commissioners Monday during their regular meeting. “We think that’s wrong. We think you’re doing a disservice to the citizens of this community. You’re jeopardizing their safety and welfare.” Aberdeen activist Stan Blunt, an ardent critic of illegal immigration, helped organize the rally, attended by members of the Minutemen, a national group that sometimes patrols U.S. borders. Also represented was Washingtonians for Immigration Reform, a state-run group with similar goals. “This issue is fast becoming of heightened concern in the county due to the deepening recession, higher unemployment rate and escalating violent crime and higher incidents of illegal drug smuggling reports,” Blunt said. The county has its own department to manage its 40,000-acre county forest. The department is in charge of dishing out contracts not just for the sale of timber, but for folks interested in planting seedlings, picking greens or peeling bark. One issue Blunt consistently raises during county commissioner meetings is the county’s contract allowing a Shelton-based company to issue salal-picking permits to “independent contractors.” Salal is an evergreen shrub that thrives in the forests of Western Washington. Its dark green leaves are used in floral arrangements and sold around the world. Many of those independent contractors are Hispanic, and the commissioners have repeatedly said it is against federal law for the county to ask these independent contractors if they are actually U.S. citizens and can produce identification to prove it. Even a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement told The Daily World last year, “It’s not the county’s responsibility, it’s the contractor’s responsibility” to ask for identification. Steve Winegar left Clarkston, near the Idaho border, a little after 2 a.m. just so he could attend yesterday’s rally. Others came from Yakima, Vancouver, Shelton and elsewhere. Blunt said county commissioner candidates were invited to attend a meeting before the rally. Republican Frank Moses, who is challenging Commissioner Mike Wilson, actually joined in and waved a sign during the rally itself. Wilson later disputed the notion that he was ever invited and said “I don’t know if I would have even gone.” Democrat Terry Willis sat down and met with the protesters, although she disagrees with them on many of their issues, calling illegal immigration a “federal issue” and “definitely not black and white.” Her opponent, Republican Ken Estes, met with the protesters at the commissioner’s meeting later on. Many of the protesters said they took the day off from work just to stand on sidewalks in Montesano and wave signs stating “No Hear No See No Speak GH Commissioners” and “Cheap Day Labor Hypocrisy” and get their five minutes before the commissioners during the body’s pubic comment period. “The county is turning a blind eye to federal law,” Leon Donahue of Tacoma said on a corner, an American flag in tow. Former county commissioner Dan Wood, now director of local affairs for the Washington Farm Bureau, says the attitude of the protesters makes him “indignant, outraged and ashamed.” Wood says the protesters are “distorting the truth” and said the issues behind the independent contractor laws are, frankly, complicated. “Employment law is a very delicate area,” Wood said. “It is fraught with risk of lawsuit. As an employer, if you question documents too much or if you hire someone illegally, you can get sued or hammered by the government and get sued for discrimination.” Just the one-page federal I-9 form, required to be kept on file by employers to determine the legal status of workers, has more than 45 pages of instruction to it “because it’s so much risk.” “I’ve had enough,” Wood said. “It’s time to speak out against the nonsense.” While he was a commissioner, Wood said he heard the exact same arguments the protesters were telling the current commissioners. “And I was told we just need to go to Wal-Mart and sit there and you can see all the illegals. So my question was, can we tell by the color of their skin? Well, how else is it? Is it the way they walk? Do they have a certain gait? How else are you going to go to observe it? …” Wood turned to the crowd and said loudly, “Shame on you! Shame on you or your suggestions!” “I have friends who look different than me who are just as much citizens as I am. … And it is discrimination to look at them and say, ‘You are not a citizen, show me your papers.’ ” That brought a murmur of discontent among the crowd. “That man did what you told all of us not to do,” Donahue told the commissioners. “He called us all liars and you let him get away with it.” “I have about a dozen family members here in Grays Harbor who are outraged and I’m just as outraged and I’m not a racist,” Mimi Silver of Olympia said later. “And none of these good people here from the Minutemen are racists. … I’m pretty outraged. I was just called names for five minutes.” Craig Fisher of Yakima held up a sign that read, “Commissioners get $42,500. Citizens get 300 illegal immigrants.” That’s the annual contract value for salal rights, and the number of illegals Blunt figures work county land. Deputy Prosecutor Jim Baker said that Blunt’s figure is “just wrong.” Baker said there are up to 38 salal pickers in the county forest and he says the county has no evidence any of them are illegal. “I believe the county should set an example anyway,” Fisher said. “If the county hires a contractor who hires illegals, what kind of example does that set to other employers? … The county ... may not be legally responsible, (but) I still think it should set a higher standard.” Washburn told the commissioners, “Instead of saying ‘Go ahead. Pick the salal. We don’t want to know who you are. Pick the more difficult route. Find a way. … We know where every sex predator in this state is located and yet we don’t even know the first names of these people. We think that’s certainly a valid request on behalf of the citizens of this county.” All of the comments led Commissioner Al Carter to conclude, “This is the first of what should be many discussions in Washington about illegal immigration and I think we ought to have more community discussion about it.”
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Robodoon Original500© Member  God Fearing Patriot
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Heck in many places the illegals aren't even doing the so called work we don't want to do. It makes me sick about what is going on and all the added crime to our land...but the powers that be want them here, not so much for profits but for social breakdown and its working. Its amazing how people can call Americans who protest the illegals racists when the illegals have groups like "The RACE" la Raza, but once again we have a PC double standard. This double standard is shown in many anti American groups and sadly our leadership protects them and keeps punishing the people. http://www.americanpatrol.com/
"...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Robodoon wrote: Heck in many places the illegals aren't even doing the so called work we don't want to do. It makes me sick about what is going on and all the added crime to our land...but the powers that be want them here, not so much for profits but for social breakdown and its working. Its amazing how people can call Americans who protest the illegals racists when the illegals have groups like "The RACE" la Raza, but once again we have a PC double standard. This double standard is shown in many anti American groups and sadly our leadership protects them and keeps punishing the people. Rob, this is one if the areas in which we really agree!! These people are laughing at us and telling all their friends and family members back home just how stupid we are!! The La Raza group even told Stan that they were gong to take over our country, and that WE would be the ones who will need SSN and visas to get back in!! Then we've got Mexican men who take pride in having a young virgin, and are raping our young girls! You know, when the god damn PC idiots wake up, it's going to be too late. It's too late already.......... It's time for Americans to take a stand, here in their own country. How in the hell they can stand around with their heads up their butts while the invaders are laughing at us while they take us for everything we've got.....even our pride and sovereignty!! When you're too stupid to hang on to what you've got...you deserve to lose it!!!
Justice for Mark.....Imprison Employers Who Hire ILLEGALS! |
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Gator5220 Pioneer100© Member  Swamp Monster
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Ask yourself this question: If the roles were reversed, and America was a borderline third-world country, and Mexico was the most powerful economy in the free world, what would you do? Would you continue to work for pennies a day to support your family in America, or would you cross the border and make 25x that? I don't have all the answers, but I can guarantee you if it was in the best interest for my family to cross the border to find better work and support my family, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Gator5220 wrote: I don't have all the answers, but I can guarantee you if it was in the best interest for my family to cross the border to find better work and support my family, I'd do it in a heartbeat. So to what other extent would you break the law for your family?
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Gator5220 Pioneer100© Member Swamp Monster
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UsedToRide wrote: Gator5220 wrote:Would I ignore Mexican law and cross the border? Yes I would.I don't have all the answers, but I can guarantee you if it was in the best interest for my family to cross the border to find better work and support my family, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Gator5220 wrote: I don't have all the answers, but I can guarantee you if it was in the best interest for my family to cross the border to find better work and support my family, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Would you even consider crossing the border the legal way?
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Gator5220 Pioneer100© Member Swamp Monster
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24HourNut wrote: Gator5220 wrote:I don't have all the answers, but I can guarantee you if it was in the best interest for my family to cross the border to find better work and support my family, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Of course I would. If your family was starving, wouldn't you dumpster-dive first before you shoplifted if you were that desperate?
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Gator5220 wrote: UsedToRide wrote:Gator5220 wrote:Would I ignore Mexican law and cross the border? Yes I would.I don't have all the answers, but I can guarantee you if it was in the best interest for my family to cross the border to find better work and support my family, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Yes, that's what you said. What I'm asking is, when does breaking the law become unacceptable to you for the well-being of your family? How major of a law would you break if it was in the best interest of your family?
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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Gator5220 Pioneer100© Member Swamp Monster
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UsedToRide wrote: Gator5220 wrote:UsedToRide wrote:Gator5220 wrote:Would I ignore Mexican law and cross the border? Yes I would.I don't have all the answers, but I can guarantee you if it was in the best interest for my family to cross the border to find better work and support my family, I'd do it in a heartbeat. With all due respect, what difference does it make?
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Gator5220 wrote: UsedToRide wrote: With all due respect, it makes all the difference in the world. If you would murder in cold blood because you thought it was beneficial to your family's well-being, that makes you sick. At what point is breaking the law "ok" as long as you have your family's best interest at heart? It's not that difficult a question, really.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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Gator5220 Pioneer100© Member Swamp Monster
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UsedToRide wrote: Gator5220 wrote:UsedToRide wrote: That's a mighty big extreme you are jumping to, and it really has nothing to do with the immigration discussion at hand. But I'll bite anyway. No, I would not commit cold-blooded murder. Would I shoplift food or medication for my family if I were desperate enough? Fortunately, I have not had to make this decision, but I would imagine I would if placed in that position. Now, would you cross the border into Mexico (or Canada if you prefer) to support your starving family if you knew you could make 25x more money than what you currently are? Let's assume you are dirt poor, because if we were a borderline third-world country, chances are very good you would be. Last edited on 05:08 am by Gator5220 |
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Gator5220 wrote: UsedToRide wrote:Gator5220 wrote:UsedToRide wrote: I just walked in on this, and I have a question for you also Gator. Why are we discussing the reasons for this invasion to begin with? We need to be discussing why they come here and abuse OUR rules, OUR country and OUR fellow Americans, among other things. Does it really matter why they come here? Why doesn't it just matter that there here and taking over OUR country so that we will become the 3rd world country they left!!
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Gator5220 Pioneer100© Member Swamp Monster
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I understand everything you just said. Clearly. What would you do if placed in that position? I mean really placed in that position. We are a borderline third world country, and your family is dirt poor. By crossing that border, work is waiting on you offering multiples of what you currently make. What would you do? Last edited on 05:21 am by Gator5220 |
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