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WHAT CONGRESS & THE MEDIA WON'T TELL YOU

 


 


By: Devvy
November 17, 2008


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"Would you rather have one tyrant 3,000 miles away or 3,000 tyrants one mile away?" Mel Gibson as Benjamin Martin, The Patriot


This is the latest on the Obama citizenship crisis and then some research resources for you on major issues.


In my last column, Part II, was devoted to the growing crisis over Barack Hussein Obama refusing to prove he is a natural born citizen; see here. You can get involved with the effort to contact electoral college delegates to stop their vote on December 15, 2008 by clicking here; those links are identified as such.


New developments


Dr. Alan Keyes filed a lawsuit in California, November 14, 2008: 'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location. Alan Keyes lawsuit warns America may see 'usurper' in Oval Office. "The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others."


Let me focus on Leo Donofrio's lawsuit which I covered in Part II of my last column. Leo is asking you to please write a short letter to Justice Clarence Thomas now that his case is docketed. You need only ask Justice Thomas to hear Leo's case on an expedited basis because Obama's refusal to prove he's a natural born citizen is building into a constitutional crisis that cannot be allowed to progress to the swearing in process should the electoral college actually go ahead and vote him in on December 15, 2008. Provide the case title and name:


Leo C. Donofrio, v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey
United States Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407


The Honorable Associate Justice Clarence Thomas
United States Supreme Court
One First Street, N.E.,
Washington, D.C. 20543.


I have been exchanging emails with Leo and he continues to reinforce the main issue of 'natural born citizen'. His latest posting for your convenience:


"Barack Obama's official web site, Fight The Smears, admits he was a British Citizen at birth. At the very bottom of the section of his web site that shows an alleged official Certification Of Live Birth, the web site lists the following information and link thereto: FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship


“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.


"Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” That is a direct admission Barack Obama was a British citizen "at birth".


"My law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship "at birth" and therefore split loyalties "at birth", he is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States. A "natural born citizen" would have no other jurisdiction over him "at birth" other than that of the United States. The Framers chose the words "natural born" and those words cannot be ignored. The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, "natural born citizen", pertains to the status of the person's citizenship "at birth".


"The other numerous law suits circling Obama to question his eligibility fail to hit the mark on this issue. Since Obama was, "at birth", a British citizen, it is completely irrelevant, as to the issue of Constitutional "natural born citizen" status, whether Obama was born in Hawaii or abroad. Either way, he is not eligible to be President. Should Obama produce an original birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii, it will not change the fact that Obama was a British citizen "at birth".


"Obama has admitted to being a British subject "at birth". And as will be made perfectly clear below, his being subject to British jurisdiction "at birth" bars him from being eligible to be President of the United States.


"As I have argued before the United States Supreme Court, the 14th Amendment does not confer "natural born citizen" status anywhere in its text. It simply states that a person born in the United States is a "Citizen", and only if he is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.


"Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States:


"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."


"The most overlooked words in that section are: "...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution..." You must recall that most, if not all, of the framers of the Constitution were, at birth, born as British subjects.


"Stop and think about that.


"The chosen wording of the Framers here makes it clear that they had drawn a distinction between themselves - persons born subject to British jurisdiction - and "natural born citizens" who would not be born subject to British jurisdiction or any other jurisdiction other than the United States. And so the Framers grandfathered themselves into the Constitution as being eligible to be President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to any person who was a Citizen... at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution. Obama was definitely not a Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and so he is not grandfathered in.


"And so, for Obama or anybody else to be eligible to be President, they must be a "natural born citizen" of the United States "at birth". It should be obvious that the Framers intended to deny the Presidency to anybody who was a British subject "at birth". If this had not been their intention, then they would not have needed to include a grandfather clause which allowed the Framers themselves to be President.


"If you click through to Factcheck.org, a more detailed discussion as to why Obama was a British citizen at birth explains the relevant statutes:


"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:


"British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.


"In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.' "


"The article goes on to state that Obama's British citizenship was transferred to Kenya as Kenya became independent from the UK and that Obama's Kenyan citizenship expired when he turned 21 years old. But none of that is relevant since the Constitution requires that every President be a "natural born citizen". The word "born" is proof positive that the status must be present "at birth". If this were not the case, then, as stated above, the Framers would not have needed to put in a grandfather clause.


"The Framers recognized that even they were not "natural born citizens" and so they wrote the grandfather clause in to allow any of them to become President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to those who were Citizens at the time of the Constitution's adoption. And so, Barack Obama is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States and neither is John McCain who was born in Panama, and neither is Roger Calero who was born in Nicaragua."


All of Leo's court filings are posted on his site; click here. Barack Hussein Obama is a 'creation.' He has had so many names, no one can keep track of his real history. He refuses to release his records for Harvard and Columbia. It has been reported that Obama attended Harvard under a foreign student classification and that is the reason he refuses to open his records. An individual obtained Obama's SS registration form (selective service); click here and scroll down until you see the form.


Obama reportedly traveled to Pakistan in 1980 and 1981 using an Indonesian passport. I am working on getting documentation on that.


This web site presents the final, very technical report on the document produced by the Obama people in June. After studying the credentials of the individual and the analysis, I feel the case has been made the Certificate of Live Birth released by Obama's camp is a forgery.


Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barry Obama, aka Barack Dunham, aka Barry Dunham is simply an empty husk delivered up as the messiah and answer to America's problems when he's nothing but a fake and a devout Marxist. If this constitutional issue isn't decided by either the courts or the electoral college on December 15, 2008, and Obama is sworn in, when the truth does come out, and it will, we will truly have a mess of monumental proportions. Even a pro-abortion supporter (who calls abortion murder) of Obama is now questioning why won't Obama produce a real, legal document?


"In the closing weeks of the election, however, I became increasingly disturbed by the mainstream media's avoidance of forthright dealing with several controversies that had been dogging Obama -- even as every flimsy rumor about Sarah Palin was being trumpeted as if it were engraved in stone on Mount Sinai. For example, I had thought for many months that the flap over Obama's birth certificate was a tempest in a teapot. But simple questions about the certificate were never resolved to my satisfaction. Thanks to their own blathering, fanatical overkill, of course, the right-wing challenges to the birth certificate never gained traction.


"But Obama could have ended the entire matter months ago by publicly requesting Hawaii to issue a fresh, long-form, stamped certificate and inviting a few high profile reporters in to examine the document and photograph it. (The campaign did make the "short-form" certificate available to Factcheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.) And why has Obama not made his university records or thesis work widely available? The passivity of the press toward Bush administration propaganda about weapons of mass destruction led the nation into the costly blunder of the Iraq war. We don't need another presidency that finds it all too easy to rely on evasion or stonewalling. I deeply admire Obama, but as a voter I don't like feeling gamed or played."


What Congress and the media won't tell you


My incoming email is simply more than one person can handle; I can't answer all the questions coming in on issues like social security, the IRS and so many more. This is column number 415 for NWVs. I have written thousands in almost 20 years; a huge number of them are on my CD. By the time this column is posted, I'll be well on my way to the West coast. God willing, I will return home to West Texas around December 3, 2008. Because I won't have a column for a couple of weeks, what I've done is take a half dozen of the biggest issues like health care and put together a compilation of columns. That way, in your spare time (no chuckling, please), you can use these references for research and get the truth.


Also, many of my columns as well as Dr. Edwin Vieria and others are available for free on audio on my web site. Click here. You can listen on your computer while doing things around the house or download to your IPod or a CD and listen while driving or on the commute train or plane. Additionally, I have a limited selection of must view videos on my web site. Please feel free to also download those and get them out to family, colleagues and friends. Click here.


America is not a democracy. Popular web sites and "progressive" sites all push for the destruction of this country when they chirp "Our democracy!" America's legal form of government is a constitutional republic. Please learn the difference and stop supporting mob rule. Fisher Ames, a founding father said: "A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way." Benjamin Rush said: "A simple democracy is the devil's own government." John Adams said: "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."


What can I do? is the common question. The ballot box is dead, this last election proves it beyond any doubt. The same Congress, with a whopping 17 "new" faces, will go back in in less than two months. Come January, our thrust has to be to the states as I have written about and an all out, constant assault (not violence) on the U.S. Congress. There is no other way until the final break down, and then no one can't say we the people didn't do everything the right way first.


As my regular readers know, but perhaps not new readers, I always provide my source reference material. At the end of my columns are additional resources. Over almost 20 years I have learned from warriors; experts in their respective fields on all these issues. Because time is so short, I have made every effort to get the most credible and legally factual information available for you to get the truth. Unless we're all on the same LEGAL battlefield, Americans will continue to demand more failure instead of the constitutional solutions that held us true for so long --- until the special interest groups began purchasing the favors of Congress about a half century ago. We are now at the end of all the corruption as the system has rotted to near extinction.


That compilation file is here.


Here's one more for the day. Obama's "home" state is Illinois. The 'Pick 3' for the Illinois State Lottery on election night: 666.


Links:


How do I make a difference?


Do you have a plan? (Personal)


I forgot to add one thing in that column. Everyone has seen people standing in front of what used to be their home when disasters hit. These folks are crying because, not only have their homes been destroyed, their treasured family photos with so many memories got burned up or destroyed in a hurricane or tornado. Scan all your favorite family pictures onto your computer and burn them onto a CD. Put that CD in a small fireproof safe in your home (best place is a floor safe in the closet). That way, if you have to evacuate in a hurry, when you return, your valuables and those pictures of your loved ones will be preserved.


Do you have a plan for freedom?


This is what happens when the mob takes over



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Welp, I guess we will find out soon enough if he really wasn't a natural born U.S. citizen.




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Welp, I guess we will find out soon enough if he really wasn't a natural born U.S. citizen.

It's always been clear that he's not a natural born US citizen, and thus unequivocally ineligible to be president of our republic. Strictly speaking, neither is McCain, since he was born in Panama. I was born in the same hospital as McCain and I've always understood that I, having been born to parents both of whom are US citizens (one of whom was serving in the US territory of the Canal Zone) am also ineligible to be president by virtue of being born at the wrong place.




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Thanks for the info, Jester.




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Thanks for the info, Jester.

Always trying to humbly serve the community, sir... :giantgrin:

Seriously, I am not sure how the Supreme Court would rule in the case of eligibility of McCain. I am not absolutely sure that not having been born in one of the united states (but instead in a territory of the US, or in an embassy, or in a foreign country but to a parent who was serving in an official capacity for the US government) would disqualify one constitutionally from the presidency of our republic.

But the case of Obama is clear. He was the citizen of a foreign state at birth, and that alone disqualifies him, though one of his parents was a US citizen. The arguments I've heard floated around here (and elsewhere) that he is an American citizen, and thus passes the eligibility requirements, are specious at best and errant. One need merely read the Constitution to figure that out. He is certainly not a natural born citizen, period. The fact that Americans at large have disregarded this simple test of eligibility shows a lot for how ignorant we are as a nation, and how easily we can be misled and controlled as a populace. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves.

Indeed, the fact that Obama himself would try to slip this one past us is unconscionable. The fact that he refuses to produce a birth certificate and continues to obfuscate on other important aspects of his upbringing and education are very telling.




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1jester wrote: Indeed, the fact that Obama himself would try to slip this one past us is unconscionable. The fact that he refuses to produce a birth certificate and continues to obfuscate on other important aspects of his upbringing and education are very telling.
I will be pissed if he is trying to cover up stuff.  I haven't looked at it independently to say, but I feel confident others more partisan than I will do a great job at trying to expose any cover ups.




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I didn't vote for Obama, so I'm not saying this from a standpoint of supporting him.

 

The decision of the SCOTUS (should it come to that) will undoubtedly revolve around what 'natural born" means.

If you're anti-Obama, you wear the sunglasses that say "natural born" means inside the continental US of TWO US citizens.

If you're not biased in any particular way, you will take the law to say the simplest thing it could mean -- 

if you have a parent who is a US citizen, then YOU are a US citizen. That's been true for decades.

But it would be good if SCOTUS decided once and for all what the Constitution MEANS when it says "natural born"

instead of every Joe Citizen applying their personal hatred of this or that candidate to the situation.

 

I wonder what kind of discussions we'd be having about this if McCain had won.

Any at all? 

Or would his "Christian experience" when a jailer said prayers and he watched, and his "hero" status trump any discussion of HIS "citizenship"

 

I am certain that many of the people who are frantically arguing about what "natural born" means would not care NEARLY so much if their candidate had won.

1jester is the first person I've seen to honestly admit that McCain might not be qualified either.

Most of the rest are SO clearly doing this because they're anti-Obama -- they are so obviously concerned with this ONLY  because of Obama and not because they have an honest consideration for what natural born is with respect to the Executive Office.

That alone makes them look like the hypocrites they are.

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Or.......maybe they will take anything they can get in order to stop the man from actually becoming the president of our great Nation.  If something has a good possibility of being really dangerous or not good, wouldn't you try and go with anything that may put a stop to it if you thought it might work?  Maybe the very reasons for Obama not becoming President, are the very reasons he shouldn't!!




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sirlamre.....Don't you see a difference between a person born in a foreign country to a woman, who is a US citizen, and to a father who is not, on land that is not associated with the United States..as opposed to a child born to two US citizens STATIONED on a US military base, that in effect IS considered US property?

Most people do.


John McCain’s citizenship was established by statutes covering the offspring of Americans abroad and laws specific to the Canal Zone as Congress realized that Americans would be living and working in the area for extended periods......So this is not  the same, no matter who's "sunglasses" you're looking through..

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Millennium wrote: sirlamre.....Don't you see a difference between a person born in a foreign country to a woman, who is a US citizen, and to a father who is not, on land that is not associated with the United States..as opposed to a child born to two US citizens STATIONED on a US military base, that in effect IS considered US property?

Most people do.


John McCain’s citizenship was established by statutes covering the offspring of Americans abroad and laws specific to the Canal Zone as Congress realized that Americans would be living and working in the area for extended periods......So this is not  the same, no matter who's "sunglasses" you're looking through..

Absolutely correct!

And in addition. McCain had no question of holding DUAL citizenship in his past.

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The United States ALWAYS considers the US citizenship granted to ANYONE to

_ABSOLUTELY TRUMP_ any citizenship potentially held in any other country.

 

So from US standpoint, it matters not whether I'm from the MOON.

If either of my parents was a citizen, then I'm a citizen.

The US does not recognize dual citizenship -- not officially.  All people who are or become US citizens are technically not supposed to have ANY other citizenship, though many times UCIS looks the other way.

that's why I think SCOTUS will (sooner or later) decide.

It's NOT as clear as it is to those of you who come to the table with an anti-Obama bias or a pro-Obama bias

 

Your bias and predisposition one way or the other is coloring the issue to be more clear to you than it really is in law.




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Sirlamre..

Once again..I don't care what the hell goes on with Obama and his Birth certificate or his citizenship..really..My comment was on the McCain issue and his citizenship...That situation was addressed by Congress years and years ago...

I was pointing out the obvious difference in the two....At least I thought it was obvious...Maybe it wasn't and still isn't to you...


As far a a bias.....yours is still showing...again......

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As far a a bias.....yours is still showing...again......

In his case Mil, I consider the source and pay no attention to him.

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