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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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I have this up in my Biker forum, but thought it could make for an interesting debate in politics, too. I came across this article thanks to Bullet who receives a newsletter specific to the happenings in the MC world while inside. When he read me this article, I asked if I could post it here, and he said only if I can find the man who wrote it, and get his ok. I did find him, got his go-ahead and have invited him here, if he can find the time. He is very busy with many things, including a new show he has started that he asked I mention to you. It is at http://www.bikerlowdown.com All I have changed in his article is to remove the name of the Club he references, which I am certain those of you here know anyway. Even at the risk of pissing some here off, I even left the "your Bro" at the end. This is how he wrote it, and except for the one Club name removal, this is how it will stay. I also bolded one part I fully agree with. <EG> Do you find this an acceptable action by the Feds or not? If you are a Member of a Motorcycle Club as I am, I'm sure you have heard about how a Judge has banned the Colors of the the *&%$@ Motorcycle Club. Not only are the Members not allowed to wear their Colors, but any item that's has their Colors on it must be forfeited upon demand. I can not expect many who are not in a Motorcycle Club to understand what this really means! Twenty years ago this would have struck fear into the soul of every American Citizen! Today I am sure most probably will not even hear about it and those that do will probably not care! What has happen to this Country? I can not believe this is actually happening, I have been writing stories on this for years. Part of me had always hoped I was just being paranoid or that all the MCs would some how come together on some level and work out the problems. I have been getting emails on how the Story I wrote last year called "Taken from a History book in the year 2095" does not sound so far fetched any more? Are there Criminals in Motorcycle Clubs? We hear about Drug dealers, Rapists, Murderers in the National Football League and in Major League Baseball everyday. When was the last time you heard of a Biker running a Dogfighting ring? Can a Judge just ban the Logo of a Sports Franchise if its Members are involved in some kind of Criminal activity? You may be saying No because its different. Well I say it is only different because they haven't done it yet! There are the same problems in Motorcycle Clubs that there are in all organizations. The Police force has much more Criminal Activity going on in it then all the Motorcycle Clubs put together! Only Difference is they can bury the Truth! When it comes to Motorcycle Clubs and criminal activity the big difference is, The legend of Motorcycle Clubs is we are America's bad boys and it just sells so dam good. This law can not be allowed to stand!!! I am sure some Sport Bike Clubs and AMA Club's feel they have nothing to fear! I am sure many are thinking this has nothing to do with them, Its only the Outlaw and 1% Clubs! They are thinking this isn't about us "we are the good guys". This always happens this way, take down the top levels first! The other levels will make excuses as to why it is not their fight and stand aside. All Bikers must join the fight now because once they are done with the Outlaw and 1% Clubs, Who do you think they will be looking at Next? Once the Outlaw/ 1% Clubs are gone there will be no one left to come and help when they come for you! I am pretty sure this is still America and this is completely against everything this Country was founded on and stands for! We all must ask, If this ruling is allowed to stand what Motorcycle Club will it be next? Will it be yours? What will the reasons be that they will use to ban your Clubs patch ? Will Jay walking be enough? Is that too ridiculous? How about if your an MC member and you get caught with a bag of weed? Is that enough? Will there have to be two Members involved? Three? What reason will they need to ban your Motorcycle Clubs patch? When Motorcycle Clubs start having their Colors banned many members will start or join new Clubs,Because that is what we are; Motorcycle Club Members! Soon the government will realize this and then Ban Motorcycle Clubs all together! Any one who thinks their Club is not at risk is kidding themselves! The time to unite and try to work together was yesterday! Today we have no choice but to ban together and fight for our right to survive for tomorrow it will be time to hide!!! Even if some how all Motorcycle Clubs can come together and work to win this fight, It is just the beginning and there will be many more rounds to come. If we are to win this fight we MUST at least make it threw the first round, Then we will have a minute to pull ourselves together!!! I am Your Bro L.J. James http://www.AmericanBikerX.com
 Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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Do they have a ban on all colors?...you know, other groups?
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Millennium wrote: Do they have a ban on all colors?...you know, other groups? Nope. Just this Club alone.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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shirohniichan Original500© Member  Obscurius per obscurum
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[sarcasm] At least the judge is doing something to make the streets safe. We've tried enforcing existing laws, but it didn't work. [/sarcasm]
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Hi, UTR. I don't know if it's constitutional or not, but it certainly makes no f*cking sense to me. Let's say you ban an MC from wearing their colors. So what? You've just driven them underground. That makes it harder to quash them, if they're involved in illegal activity. The only positive effect it might have is to keep rival MCs from fighting each other, if they have a mind to. Then again, it might not even do that much. My (limited) understanding is that some clubs (and I don't know about this one in particular, but I wouldn't be surprised) sport tattoos. So you could ban the colors as much as you want, but the members could still potentially be identified. There's a part of the essay that I don't agree with, though. Just because a group is getting hounded by the law doesn't mean that they should be defended. You can make the argument he makes for members of MCs, but you couldn't make the same argument about child molesters. It would make no sense to say, "First they came for the child molesters, but I said nothing, because I wasn't a child molester." I'm certainly not saying that the situations are analogous, but that particular construct has always bothered me...
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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Robodoon Original500© Member  God Fearing Patriot
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 UsedToRide wrote: I have this up in my Biker forum, but thought it could make for an interesting debate in politics, too. YOU HAVE NO IDEA! HOW FAR ITS GONE  WE ARE SLAVES and your worried about colors....there is no AMERICA TODAY!... I would say more....but I would be called "un PC"...and people would be upset. "F'n WEAK" "F'n SAD"I can't say it...because ...someone will get "upset" and complain" ....because this is the land of the free and the home of the brave?  NOPE!I'm dealing with...."MOR..." but I can't say it....or I will be in  troubleYou guys see how upset you are when you finally start to understand what has happened  .... Park your stupid bikes, put down your beers, stop telling your "sad stories" and start paying attention to that which is going on.  CAN YOU SAY "CONCENTRATION CAMPS" I knew you could.  PS...I do understand your concerns...but you are very late in the game...if people understood...even the "Hells Angels" would come to call...but they aren't American after all...the game is to deep...but "Dancing with the Stars should be one soon"...so all is well...till HELL!   Sorry if I'm out of bounds or didn't read the story right...I don't give a shit! Shit is coming down like we have never know before.... but even the bikers are PC today...to the shame of the USA! Last edited on 12:29 am by Robodoon "...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Now you know that I don't claim that Bikers are saints; just like he says in the article, there are problems with any group of people. You are putting all Bikers into one group of ciminals. So if they have a patch from this Club on them, they are automatically guilty of some crime?
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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UsedToRide wrote:
Hi, UTR. Like I said, I'm not saying that all Bikers are criminals. I'm also not saying that all MCs are involved in criminal activities. I don't have any idea what that life is like, and I don't think I've ever said otherwise. What I was saying above is that the idea he has is wrong that a group should be protected from prosecution/persecution, for fear that it will lead to the persecution of others. If you're engaged in illegal activity, you should be prosecuted. If your group is involved in criminal activity, then the group should be prosecuted. That's called a criminal conspiracy. If a group is involved in criminal activity (in an organized way), then that group should be subject to scrutiny and prosecution. IF "X" MC has its members selling meth for the club or pimping out women in an organized way for the club's benefit, I don't see that as any different than any other organized crime. Like I said, I think the idea of saying they can't wear their colors is stupid, but if a particular MC is engaged in criminal activity, then I don't see it as wrong to prosecute them as a group.
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Playing to a different drummer
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Brian wrote: Hi, UTR.  More caffeine, more caffeine...
There's a saying. If you want someone to love you forever, buy a dog, feed it and keep it around. Dick Dale |
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Brian wrote: If a group is involved in criminal activity (in an organized way), then that group should be subject to scrutiny and prosecution. IF "X" MC has its members selling meth for the club or pimping out women in an organized way for the club's benefit, I don't see that as any different than any other organized crime. And if the entire group isn't involved in criminal activity they should all be treated as criminals, even before any claim by LEO is proven? I thought that in America people are innocent until proven guilty. Oh wait.....that's right. We're talking about the INjustice system; they do whatever the fuck they want to, freedoms be damned.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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UsedToRide wrote: Brian wrote:If a group is involved in criminal activity (in an organized way), then that group should be subject to scrutiny and prosecution. IF "X" MC has its members selling meth for the club or pimping out women in an organized way for the club's benefit, I don't see that as any different than any other organized crime. Didn't I just say that it should only be prosecuted as a group if it was performing the actions as a group? I thought I did... I don't think they should be prevented from wearing their colors. Frankly, I think that's stupid. I said I don't know if it's constitutional because I don't know if similar clothing bans have been constitutionally challenged and upheld. Obviously, the government can mandate some clothing decisions, because there are laws (in most areas) against running around naked. I think banning a color is excessive, but I don't know if it's unconstitutional.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Well, this is the first time this has happened with a specific MC's colors being jumped on. I mean, usually they just raid the Houses and take everyone to jail, they don't normally take steps like this. I think we're agreeing to a point, Brian, I just can't express well what I'm meaning, and I am not unbiased about this topic. You are unbiased; it isn't your life it's going to affect!  I'm still betting that the Supreme Court will rule this as unConstitutional.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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