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Millennium Original500© Member
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But try convincing Mill and BSHEEP of the one view, or aknow and WSM of the other. Listen...sirlamre...you come here acting like your a middle of the road independent, while lumping the rest of us as either left or right..Who the hell do you think you are?..You have defended Obama and his policy from day one...so quit trying to be "mr in the middle", you aren't, and we all know it. I am more than willing to give Obama the breaks.....But I'll be damned if he gets a free ride because you love the way he can blow smoke rings.
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Millennium Original500© Member
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And opposite to that, Bush got the reputation for "I'll never talk to anyone, I'll just shoot 'em first and let God sort out ALL the non-patriots from the real patriotic Americans" Do you know any history on how long Saddam was given to get his act together? Do you remember the UN giving him chance after chance after chance? Do you remember the no fly zones that he constantly violated? Damn. Just how damn LONG do you want to give someone a option?...Like it was, he never believed we'd invade, because the UN was so damn lax in sticking to the deadlines, and failed miserably... Man, you have convienent amnesia...I guess we should have waited for the first mushroom cloud over California, to finally try to stop him... Would that be better for you? That way we wouldn't offend any of those europeans that think so ill of us..Until they need our help that is.
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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sirlamre wrote: Brian wrote:Yes, war should never be a first choice, but it shouldn't necessarily be on the bottom of the list, either. There are some situations where going to war is preferable to the alternative, and those situations extend to more than just defense of your physical territory. I think you're right about that. No reasonable person (and by "reasonable", I mean, "someone who wants to get elected") would say "always" or "never" in regards to such things. The problem (as I perceive it) is with the tolerances. How much risk do you tolerate before you decide that the risk of negotiating (and there's always risk there) is worse than the risk of war (where, obviously, there's also always risk). I think Bush obviously misjudged the risk of military inaction with Iraq. In hindsight (which is all we really have), it seems clear that there was something to be gained from letting the negotiations go on longer. I'm not saying that we could've really negotiated with Saddam to any peaceful end. I don't think that was really possible. Rather, I think we could've used the time spent negotiating to prepare for war better and to get all our ducks in a row in terms of intelligence. sirlamre wrote:
There are all kinds of partisans and perspectives when you talk about matters of war, peace, and terrorism. Now, I'm going to say this one last time: Chill the f*ck out with the personal attacks. I don't care who said what to whom, and who made fun of who's Momma. It stops NOW. Let's all try not to sh*t in our own backyard, okay? If I see any more of this, the thread will be locked and/or deleted, and disciplinary action will be taken against the offender(s). I'm just a bit tired of the feces fights, people.
 "It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Playing to a different drummer
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Therefore, regarding Islamic nations...negotiations are typically unfruitful in the long term and one would be negotiating with them strickly for brownie points with those on the outside. Islamic run governments won't reveal their true motives so I suggest looking at past history and reading their Holy Book for some good tips.
There's a saying. If you want someone to love you forever, buy a dog, feed it and keep it around. Dick Dale |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Playing to a different drummer
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Millennium wrote: Listen...sirlamre...you come here acting like your a middle of the road independent, while lumping the rest of us as either left or right. Interesting observation. No need for reply. Last edited on 05:16 am by JustifiedByFaith There's a saying. If you want someone to love you forever, buy a dog, feed it and keep it around. Dick Dale |
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Therefore, regarding Islamic nations...negotiations are typically unfruitful in the long term and one would be negotiating with them strickly for brownie points with those on the outside. Islamic run governments won't reveal their true motives so I suggest looking at past history and reading their Holy Book for some good tips. I think it's always good to look at past history when trying to figure out how to deal with a nation. And of course, no nation can be taken at face value. I kind of doubt reading the Qu'uran will give any real insight into what a Muslim nation will do. As I see it, there are two basic problems with that approach: 1) They're not going to behave in a way that's so easily read (literally). They might have something like "never tell the truth to infidels" in the book, but that doesn't mean everything they say is a lie. A good deception always has grain of truth. 2) I don't care who they are. No one always acts in accordance with their holy scripture. You can't hope to predict behavior by that.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Playing to a different drummer
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Brian wrote: A good deception always has grain of truth. Excellent!!!  That applies both Politics and Religion!Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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Saint wrote:
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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Amy wrote: Saint wrote: I love how MSNBC says teh Valerie Plame case was about claims of "additional yellowcake".  The problem was that there was yellowcake in Iraq at all.Gotta love revisionist history.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Millennium wrote: But try convincing Mill and BSHEEP of the one view, or aknow and WSM of the other. I agree Mill. Sirlamre, you've been so voice tress about not picking any sides due to your Baha'i religion? Yet all I hear for the most part is you defending Obama and any who like him. You lean very hard toward the left. There's nothing wrong with that, other than the fact you keep trying to tell us you aren't!!!
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Brian wrote:A good deception always has grain of truth. The problem then becomes, how do you know when your enemy is lying, and when they're telling the truth? That's why I don't think it's as simple as looking at the Qu'uran. Sometimes people tell you just enough truth to confuse you.
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Sir,...I better just start off slo and ask you just what the hell you mean by your two statements directed at me so I dont possibly take it the wrong way. I'll respond when I know what your insinuating instead of what I think your trying to say.I try to usally try to keep in mind that what is TYPED on a computer can easily get misunderstood without the verbal undertones that speach sometimes softens. Obama himself said he would talk with Terrorists during his campain and I would assume that he is finding out the honeymoon is over and he is now in the real world which requires a different approach....as a result,...gotta talk a different kind of talk. Here's my drift,..may catch some of ya off guard since some of you have a preconcieved idea of where I stand.This thought is no different towards any other Pres that I dont like or trust,as is the case with Obama. Fact is,although I did not vote for him,a majority of the country did and now we're stuck with 'em. As Pres, we need to give him room to either prove or hang himself. I am troubled by some of his choices but,...if things get too screwed up,I raise my voice louder as will many other Americans and maybe the country will "Change" a few things for O'bama.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Millennium wrote: And opposite to that, Bush got the reputation for "I'll never talk to anyone, I'll just shoot 'em first and let God sort out ALL the non-patriots from the real patriotic Americans" Thanks for making my point for me. I was TALKING about how the right and the left stretch the truth to fit their agenda. What you said IS what happened --- but that's not what the Left says - the "perception" is that Bush shoots everybody first and asks questions later. That has a grain of truth, but it's NOT the black and white fact that the Left tends to perceive it to be. I said Bush got the reputation. I didnt' say it was deserved or true to the facts. I agree that Saddam was given plenty of time. I also think that Saddam was NOT the priority really -- Not compared to Iran, Syria, etc-- they DO support terrorists and even SAY that they do. When you look at the strategic intel, you see clearly that Iraq was NOT the problem that Iran and other nations were. Iran PUBLICLY SAID that they were supporting terrorists!!! How much more do you need than THAT to have gone into Iran FIRST? Or is it just policy that we invade and totally destroy Canada just to get at Greenland, so to speak?
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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foxglovepress wrote: Millennium wrote:But try convincing Mill and BSHEEP of the one view, or aknow and WSM of the other. I'll whack Obama in due time, not to worry. I didn't whack McCain that hard except on his healthcare policies because I actually LIKED him. I would have voted for him if doing so wouldn't have a. brought Palin alone, who I loathe and think has LESS effective national experience than anyone, being a rookie Governor of a low-population state with nothing going on except oil b. brought in a lot of GOP politicians on his coat-tails Not to worry --- yes, I do like Obama in some ways, and not in others. First time he does something I don't like, you'll hear about it. And it will happen --- there ARE things I didn't like about him, and they are the reason I didn't vote for him.
Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! I am but a vassal of Thine, and Thou art, in truth, the King of kings. I have lifted my suppliant hands unto the heaven of Thy grace and Thy bounties. |
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Millennium Original500© Member
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When you look at the strategic intel, you see clearly that Iraq was NOT the problem that Iran and other nations were. Iran PUBLICLY SAID that they were supporting terrorists!!! How much more do you need than THAT to have gone into Iran FIRST? Sorry...but I disagree, and will welcome any independent hard print that proves that. If you actually believe that Saddam Hussain was not in the terrorism business, you are really lost in this whole argument. Now....what do you think would happen if we approached to the UN to get permission to invade Iran?....Hmmmm?...Nothing. Russia would veto it, because of the weapons sales they were enjoying at the time...Like it was with the intel we had it was a dog fight. But in the end the UN agreed it had to be done. With the backing of the Republicans and the Democrats and over 50 member nations. Now, are you talking about the same intel that you and most of the lefties here say that was wrong about WMD's?....now all of a sudden they got this right?...That's strange.... Or is it just policy that we invade and totally destroy Canada just to get at Greenland, so to speak Wow...you just exaggerated to make a point, much like I and others here do, but when we do it, we're stretching the truth to fit an agenda, when you do it it's to bang home a point...do you see the hypocricy here?
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