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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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We need a president who will save OUR country from the path it's on. There's no question to the truth of what's happening to our country. Do you think Obama will, or won't be the one to do this? I'd like to see the overall opinions here. Please vote........ Fractured States of America: ALIPAC Responds to Russian Predictions of US Destruction By: ALIPAC ALIPAC is calling for immediate investigations and a nationwide crackdown on illegal immigration in response to high level Russian spokesman, Igor Panarin’s, predictions that the economic collapse and rampant illegal immigration will lead to the breakup of the US and deployment of a new currency called the ‘Amero’. “Panarin is claiming the US has a severe internal security problem due to massive illegal immigration and as we move to try to save our economy, we must move to protect American jobs, American security, American sovereignty, and our national unity from the negative impacts of illegal immigration,” said William Gheen of ALIPAC. “We need to accelerate the current reversal of illegal immigration by deploying the US military to the borders and intensifying enforcement levels and deportations nationwide immediately!” The US currently has over 39,000 Chinese illegal aliens in detention centers at taxpayer expense, with many more at large in America, while the Chinese government refuses to allow US authorities to repatriate them. Millions of illegal aliens have recently flooded into America from Central and South America, fostering the rise of documented separatist movements in the South West United States. Panarin’s predictions are circulating through the national media today containing the explosive statements the US will fracture into regions. He predicts Canada will gain influence in northern states, with China’s influence dominating the West Coast, and Mexico’s influence dominating the South West. Panarin also has now become the highest level official to claim that the US, Mexico, and Canada have conspired to form a new currency called the ‘Amero’ in 2006, under the Bush administration’s Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP.gov). “For several years, we have been warning Americans of what we have termed the North American Union,” said William Gheen. “We have contended that illegal immigration has been fostered to force Americans into an economic union by blending the labor and consumer markets of North America. Now that the Russians are talking about the Amero openly to the global media, we demand an immediate investigation and full disclosure from our government about the extent of behind the scenes planning for economic mergers and new currencies. We want to know, if the non-enforcement of our existing immigration laws has been used to force Americans into a greater economic union that we would never voluntarily agree to.” ALIPAC is encouraging the American media and lawmakers to dig deep into these issues in an effort to forewarn the American populace about this possible new currency plan, which Panarin claims was forged without media coverage, without public awareness, and without Congressional oversight in 2006. ALIPAC is calling for renewed energy in immigration enforcement to address the fractures in America that are being formed by rampant illegal immigration and the presence of millions of non-assimilated people, which have negative views about the United States of America and owe no loyalty to the US Constitution.
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In all honesty. I think not.....But in fairness, I don't think McCain would have either. They both pander too much to the wrong groups, while the working men and women in this country get screwed.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Millennium wrote: In all honesty. I think not.....But in fairness, I don't think McCain would have either. They both pander too much to the wrong groups, while the working men and women in this country get screwed. I think you're right, and if this Obama appointee is in fact true, we're really screwed!
La Raza Obama appoints La Raza executive, Detroit-native Cecilia Muñoz to his cabinent.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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Well, Bush CERTAINLY didn't do anything about it.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Saint wrote: Well, Bush CERTAINLY didn't do anything about it. You're exactly right, he sure as he*l didn't Saint. He left our borders wide open for our country to be invaded, while he fought elsewhere, to protect our country!  The big question now though is, will our new president do anything to turn this around? Like myself and a few others here in 24 have been warning for a long time now, is happening, and has been for a long time. We are in fact losing our country, and it is breaking my heart. (My cold, steel, heart that is. <heh>)
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Here's the basic problem faced by people who want immigration reform: Powerful lobbies on both sides of the issue (not to mention both sides of the aisle) don't want it. 1) The most vocal immigrants' rights groups either fear discrimination or don't think there should be any such thing as "illegal" immigration. 2) The most vocal anti-illegal groups oppose anything short of "arrest them immediately and deport them all", which isn't a workable policy. 3) Democrats get support from the immigrants' rights groups. 4) Many Republicans get support from big businesses, who like the cheap labor. Personally, I think the best chance immigration reform had was under Bush. At least there was a proposal out there that would've done some measure of good, even if not enough. After that whole debacle, immigration reform is political suicide, so I wouldn't expect it to come up for another 10-20 years.
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Polymath
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Brian's right. I'm learning to speak Spanish. So far, all I know is "Soliamente in Anglish, Por favor. (Only in English, please.) And "Sea Americano, habla Anglish." (Be American, speak English.) both of which have resulted in my having to learn a third phrase, "Besa molo haytay, covrone." (Kiss my @ss you son of a b!tch.)
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Brian wrote: Here's the basic problem faced by people who want immigration reform: Powerful lobbies on both sides of the issue (not to mention both sides of the aisle) don't want it. Brian, the basic problem faced by we the people is.........our lobbyists on both sides aren't taking care of WE THE PEOPLE! Plain and simple. Until we demand that our government do their job and serve we the people, this isn't going to be fixed short of a revolution. As far as the best chance of immigration reform, closing our damn borders would seem a very good start!! I'm sorry to be so vocal, but I'm so sick of this country and it's PC people (not you Brian) who have stood up for the rights of all the illegals. They make me sick. I would never wish them to lose a child by an illegal, but it sure would change their thought process.........
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Well, Bush CERTAINLY didn't do anything about it.I wouldn't say that....The problem is a lot of this got squashed in Congress...and we know who been running that in the last 2 years... Here is a list of things Bush has done or tried to get passed... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Improving Border Security And Immigration The Administration Continues Its Efforts To Strengthen Border Security, Improve Interior And Worksite Enforcement, Streamline Existing Guest Worker Programs, And Help New Americans Assimilate On January 28, 2008, during his State of the Union address, President Bush reviewed the steps his Administration is taking to improve our border security and address immigration challenges. America's broken immigration system is a major problem that the American people expect their elected leaders to solve. Although Congress has not passed legislation to address the immigration challenges our Nation faces, the Administration continues to build upon progress we have already made in strengthening border security, enforcing our worksite laws, keeping our economy well-supplied with vital workers, and helping new Americans assimilate into our society. Yet the President will also urge that in order to take the pressure off the border, we need a new way for foreign workers to come here lawfully, on a temporary basis, and support our economy. The Administration Is Strengthening Border Security With Additional Personnel, Technology And Infrastructure The Administration has increased funding for border security and immigration enforcement by 159 percent, including emergency funds, since the President took office - from $4.8 billion in 2001 to $12.3 billion in 2008. The Administration has expanded the Border Patrol from approximately 9,000 agents in 2001 to more than 15,000 agents today. By the end of 2008, we will have more than 18,000 agents, doubling the size of the Border Patrol under the President's leadership. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is on track to complete 370 miles of pedestrian fencing along the southwest border by the end of calendar year 2008. As of this month, we have completed a total of 165 miles of pedestrian fence along the southwest border, giving us a total of 290 miles of pedestrian and vehicle fence already in place at the border. We expect to have 670 total miles of pedestrian and vehicle fence by the end of 2008, and have begun obtaining land to make this a reality. The Administration is including a new Southwest Border Enforcement Initiative in its 2009 Budget. This comprehensive Justice Department initiative will provide $100 million to help address the rise in crime and immigration cases on the southwest border. It will increase our ability to arrest, detain, prosecute, and house violent criminals, drug offenders, and immigration violators along the southwest border. DHS is operating three Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS) along the southern border in support of border security operations. An additional UAS is scheduled to be operational this year. DHS saw a reduction of 20 percent in apprehensions of illegal aliens at the Southern border in Fiscal Year 2007. This is an indication that stronger border security and enforcement efforts have deterred aliens from attempting to cross the border illegally. The Administration has effectively ended the policy of "catch and release" and now detains all removable aliens caught trying to cross the border until they can be removed. For years, limited detention space forced the release of many illegal border crossers from nations other than Mexico with nothing more than a Notice to Appear for a hearing before an immigration judge. Many aliens ignored these notices and instead blended into U.S. society. The Administration has effectively ended this policy of "catch and release" and replaced it with a policy of "catch and return," ensuring that all removable aliens caught trying to cross the border illegally are held until they can be removed. The Administration will end the decades old practice of allowing U.S. and Canadian citizens to enter the country at our land and sea ports of entry with merely an oral declaration of identity and citizenship. Beginning January 31, 2008, all cross-border travelers must present documents establishing their identity and citizenship. This is a precursor to the Congressionally mandated full implementation of the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative in June of 2009, at which time passports or similarly secure documents will be required by all travelers. The Administration Is Continuing To Enhance Interior And Worksite Enforcement Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has replaced the old approach of administrative hearings and fines for employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens with a much tougher combination of criminal prosecutions and asset forfeitures.
DHS has issued a "No-Match" Employment Eligibility Verification regulation to help employers ensure their workers are legal and help the Government identify and crack down on employers who knowingly hire illegal workers. Unfortunately, this useful regulation is being held up by litigation. We expect a revised rule to be finalized and in effect this year. In FY 2007, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and ICE returned or removed almost 1.2 million illegal aliens from the United States. ICE has increased its enforcement efforts:
The Administration Is Streamlining Existing Guest-Worker Programs To Help Keep Our Economy Well-Supplied With Vital Workers The Department of Labor (DOL) and DHS are prepared to unveil a rule that would modernize the H-2A agricultural seasonal worker program to better provide farmers with an orderly and timely flow of legal workers, while protecting the rights of laborers. No sector of the American economy requires a legal flow of foreign workers more than agriculture, which is experiencing labor shortages. DOL is also working on regulations streamlining the H-2B Program for non-agricultural seasonal workers. DHS and DOL are studying potential administrative reforms to visa programs for highly skilled workers. The Administration Is Taking Steps To Help New Americans Assimilate In Order To Keep Our Nation United In September 2007, the DHS Office of Citizenship announced a revised naturalization test emphasizing the fundamental concepts of American democracy, basic U.S. history, and the rights and responsibilities of citizenship. This test is ensuring fairness by eliminating the wide variations in testing quality between regional offices that plagued the former system. The Office of Citizenship is also providing additional training for volunteers and adult educators who lead immigrants through the naturalization process. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So Saint.....NOTHING is a pretty strong word... Last edited on 08:14 pm by Millennium |
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Saint wrote: Brian's right. I'm learning to speak Spanish.  Oh I love it!! I already use the first one, without the "please". I'll learn the last two. 
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Mill you do in fact have a point as far as congress not cooperating! The illegal "raids" have been stepped up only in the past ear or so, and E-Verify is a good start, it only allows the employer to check someone he's just hired! The employer can't check all employees, and if E-Verify finds an illegal, they're let go! No follow up and they just disappear into the landscape, like the one who killed my son. Last heard he was in Georgia, and as long as the borders stay open, the deported ones just come back! The most important tool we have is to SHUT DOWN OUR BORDERS. Man them with our military. And...mean business!! People need to realize we are at war...... here..... now!! I'm afraid the ball was dropped long ago by not closing down our borders. I honestly do not know who to blame for that........ This is a very serious situation, and we are losing ground!
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foxglovepress wrote: Brian wrote:Here's the basic problem faced by people who want immigration reform: Powerful lobbies on both sides of the issue (not to mention both sides of the aisle) don't want it. Hi, Fox. I understand what you're saying, but there's no such thing as a "closed" border, in practical terms. You can have a more secure border by improving various aspects of border patrol, but people and goods have to be allowed to come into and out of the country. Not only do you have lots of legal immigration, but you've also got people taking vacations (in both directions), people doing business, and people going to school. All of this legal business has to be kept up. The question is, how do you control it? A national ID card is a good start, so you can tell the citizens from the non-citizens. Then, you have to do something about the people already here. If they've committed crimes (other than the immigration, I mean), then they should be deported as soon as their hearing is over. If they haven't committed any other crime, then they should pay a fine and be put into the system and allowed to get to the back of the line for citizenship (which takes something like 7 years, I think). Why? Because if your policy is, "If we find you, you're automatically going back", then guess what? You'll never find them, because it will encourage all kinds of people to produce false documentation and to go into hiding. You have to know who's in the country before you can kick them out.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote:Brian wrote:Here's the basic problem faced by people who want immigration reform: Powerful lobbies on both sides of the issue (not to mention both sides of the aisle) don't want it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
