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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Political Matters > In another thread, Mill asked me what I didn't like about Obama. |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Not to worry --- yes, I do like Obama in some ways, and not in others. I noticed you went to the effort to explain what you didn't like about McCain... Now, tell us what you DON'T like about Obama....." Fair enough
I'll give this some thought and post others -- currently I have a screaming 9 month old and it's dinner time. So I'll put those down for now, and add more later probably.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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sirlamre wrote: Not to worry --- yes, I do like Obama in some ways, and not in others. I personally would take this more seriously if two out of the three reasons, you didn't back it up by saying McCain didn't please you either. Basically, you're still openly supporting Obama over McCain.
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foxglovepress wrote: sirlamre wrote:Fair enough I think you're not giving sirlamre enough credit here for fairness, Fox. I read two out of the three points as sirlamre giving McCain points over Obama. (His third point doesn't mention McCain at all, of course.) Point #1 could be seen as kind of a toss-up, since sirlamre doesn't like the perspective that McCain is coming from. All in all, though, I think sirlamre made fair points. He was asked for things he didn't like about Obama, and he provided some. 
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote:sirlamre wrote:Fair enough I'd like to have sirlamre just list points about Obama that he does not like. Period. No comparing, just facts about Obama he doesn't agreed with or like. Sirlamre has a right to think anything he wants about anyone. My question has always been, since he has that right, I'd like to see him not state that he has no preference because he's not suppose to have a preference. He has always shown a preference toward the left! Why doesn't he just say he favors the left?
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Millennium Original500© Member
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Some would say that McCain's association with the Keating Five and other Washington crap that while they have not done violence, have done billions more in damage to America by self-service Fair enough, on your answer, but on one case, listed above, McCain was aquitted from any wrong doing on that....Actually there were 4 Democrats and the one Republican involved with that, but it's amazing that we never hear of the democrats involved... In fact you rarley hear it when the name of John Glenn comes up, but both he and McCain were cleared... The fact that Obama stood back and let others do the voting on a lot of items, and then steps forward like he was involved deeply in the process is a little disingenuous. He has always shown a preference toward the left! Why doesn't he just say he favors the left? I agree Fox....He keeps telling us, (or trying to convince himself) that he is middle of the road....and yet in most of his posts he hates the "man" and the way they are pushing the little man around and he despises corporations and it comes through in a lot of his posts. ..that thought pattern is typically left sided...But I guess we can "believe" he is in the center...even though it's hard to find any posts of his that appear that way.......or back it up. It's ok sirlamre.....just admit it....you're left of center. No big deal. Last edited on 12:52 am by Millennium |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Playing to a different drummer
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Millennium wrote:
I think this is clear to most of us. But in sirlamre's behalf, he did say that he did not vote for Obama. I have a friend who has strong viewpoints yet he prefers to discuss topics with others where he remains or appears neutral to them. It's fine, some of us like to walk into and stay in the flames and others choose to stand outside. Although, I prefer the flames I often get irritated by those who actively seek to talk or engage me there while they keep in their secure comfort zone on the outside. To everyone is his/her own zone of comfort and security. Last edited on 02:40 am by JustifiedByFaith There's a saying. If you want someone to love you forever, buy a dog, feed it and keep it around. Dick Dale |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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"While some people make a mountain out of Obama's associations, I merely don't like them very much. I suspect that Rev. Wright and his ideas will have little or no effect themselves, I think it does show a sense of judgement about people that might be a problem. Some would say that McCain's association with the Keating Five and other Washington crap that while they have not done violence, have done billions more in damage to America by self-service. So I'm waiting to see if Obama is a different person than he has appeared over the years. McCain's choosing Palin as a running mate severely dropped McCain much closer to "par" with Obama on this level, but I think Obama still had the worse record for associations with people." By the way == I noticed I forgot to make one point here- What I meant when I said the associations didn't matter was that I think _those people_ aren't going to matter. What may well matter is how Obama selects people NOW- does he select wise and confident people who know what they're doing (note, that will NOT be measured accurately by the status-quo media or neocons, nor by the extreme leftists) I wasn't impressed by the fact that he somehow didn't know what Wright had been saying, and never disagreed with it before now. Nor was I impressed by his unwillingness to put Wright in his place much earlier than he did. So for me, that one isn't about the individual people so much as it is a "how do you pick your friends" sort of thing--- which in his case as President, will end up being "how do you pick the people to run the government agencies and other political appointees at the FEMA type of level...
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:Although, I prefer the flames...[url=javascript:emoticon('  ', 'images/emoticons/bigsmile.gif')]document.write(''); [/url]Heh.... what an opportunity... Yes JBF, all the Baha'is on here HAVE noticed that you "prefer the flames" instead of coming along with us and listening to God! (no insult intended, but I just could NOT let that particular turn of phrase you chose go by unnoticed!)
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Millennium Original500© Member
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What I meant when I said the associations didn't matter was that I think _those people_ aren't going to matter. I have always heard it said that "you are known by the company you keep"...That "rule" has been a guiding light for civilization for eons...I am not prepard to toss it aside now, because suddenly, a president to be, and his folllowers, think we ought to. Last edited on 03:07 am by Millennium |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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MillenniumIt's ok sirlamre.....just admit it....you're left of center. No big deal. eh... Here I'll go trying to describe my basic political philosophy--- - I support the idea that people should decide FOR THEMSELVES what to do. This means they have the RIGHT to decide to have an abortion. My job is to teach they why not to, instead of legislate that they cannot. I don't believe in legislating morality, aka the Religious Right's tight links with the GOP. I also don't believe in TOTAL freedom -- I don't think weed should be legal or any other drug that's been proven to be more harmful medically to most people than a leftwing fringe element believes it might be good for you. - I support gun freedoms WITH the condition that existing laws mostly make sense and should be enforced better. It is NOT a "right" to bear arms, it's a privilege in a sense, and there ARE things you can do that should limit your ability to own a gun. Committing felonies is one, though I'd support rewriting that law to be "any crime of violence", not felonies. Too many felonies don't mean squat to gun owning (eg, financial misdoings) and there are too many things considered misdemeanors that DO involve violence which should get a person's gun ownership reviewed. Gun owning responsibility should also be taken into account. If your gun harms a child because of how you stored it, you should be held legally responsible just as if YOU misused the gun yourself. - I support a strong foriegn policy that puts America in the role of supporting the ideals we live by around the world-- voting in a republic or democracy, human rights, etc. The military IS an option for dealing with these situations, but not the first option except in cases of us or our allies being militarily attacked first. I support the war in Afghanistan and even in Iraq (though I think Iraq should have waited over Iran and Syria) but I do NOT support the US ignoring Somalia for example. - I support the US being a part of the UN. I think the UN is a TOOL the US simply does not "own" as much as we should. Given the right usage, the UN could become a very powerful tool in US hands, not the obstruction it's become by our trying to ignore them. We created the political situation in the UN that has now caused our hammer to hit our thumb more often than not. We as the largest nation in the world can fix that -- unfortunately, it IS going to take longer than our attention span of four years might take. We might actually have to work on that for a while *shudder* before we see results right away (gasp) - I support the right of the US government to investigate whatever and whereever it has to in order to protect me. However, that investigation should occur with the proper oversights and checks and balances, NOT with a cowboy approach from just one part of the government who doesn't have to do more than minimal reporting to a small and politically friendly segment of the rest of the government. - Here's for you FGP -- immigration. My wife is a naturalised citizen, originally from Trinidad. I SUPPORT people coming to this country to live when they can provide something worthwhile and make a difference. My wife is a better more experienced nurse than almost ALL of the nurses graduating from local community colleges. Sorry, but that's the facts. However, on illegals -- Stop them coming in. Do that in the same way we SHOULD handle drugs. Make it SO INCREDIBLY awful for anyone caught employing an illegal that NO ONE will consider hiring someone without a receipt to prove that something like E-Verify said they were a citizen. If the best effort you can do using government-provided tools shows that someone is legal and you hire them, you aren't responsible. If you did NOT check them, you ARE responsible. If you're caught doing that, your company should get charged 10,000% taxes. Oh-- so that puts you out of business. Too bad. Next company you start, use E-Verify. - By the way- -- one other thing. No more "company spokesman had no comment" . Company CEOs -- step up, take OWNERSHIP of the things that happen on your watch. People hiring you as a vendor or people who want to work for you have the RIGHT to know if you've done wrong things. No more "sealed court cases" for company misbehaviour. If that goes into place and you hire on with a company and THEN find out they've hired a bunch of people they didn't verify --- you should start jobhunting. Next time, check the (should be public) records on your potential employer. When companies are publicly LIABLE for the things they do, they'll clean up their act. a LOT. As long as they can just hide away what they've been successfully sued and LOST over, that's not fair to their competitors. Employees don't want to work for a company doing illegal things, financially OR with illegal workers. (eg, Enron's workers should have been allowed to know enought such that they were the first ones out the door) - Reform tort law btw--- if you bring a trivial case, you AND the lawyer representing you pay HUGE fees. - Healthcare--- heck, that's a post unto itself. Suffice it to say that I think insurance companies are making out like bandits, and they AND the malpractice lawyers need to get beaten. Again, more public disclosure. There's more.... I'll have to think of it. Suggest some things and I'll write up my thoughts on them. Last edited on 03:23 am by sirlamre Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! 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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Playing to a different drummer
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sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Although, I prefer the flames...[url=javascript:emoticon(' Never again shall I have empathy. 
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
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Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! I am but a vassal of Thine, and Thou art, in truth, the King of kings. I have lifted my suppliant hands unto the heaven of Thy grace and Thy bounties. |
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