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Iwog Pioneer100© Member 
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FRISCO, Texas (Sept. 26) - A Texas art teacher who was reprimanded after one of her fifth-grade students saw a nude sculpture during a trip to a museum has lost her job. The school board in Frisco has voted not to renew Sydney McGee's contract after 28 years. She has been on administrative leave. McGee says her troubles started after a field trip to the Dallas Museum of Art last April. McGee's lawyer says the principal at Fisher Elementary School later admonished her after a parent complained that a student had seen nude art. McGee says the principal had urged her to take the students to the museum. School officials deny they were reacting to the field trip but say there have been problems with McGee's work.
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Blackhawk Original500© Member 
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That's the work of Evangelo-fascists. They're completely out of step with the rest of the world.
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Goetzdude Pioneer100© Member  Gimmie dat !!
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Blackhawk wrote: That's the work of Evangelo-fascists. They're completely out of step with the rest of the world. Damn straight...and soon, somewhat like ALF and armed with rolls of black electrical tape, all of the fine art pee-pees and boobies will finally be concealed!!!
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member  Ye Olde Dead King
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School officials deny they were reacting to the field trip but say there have been problems with McGee's work. Sounds to me like the press making an issue where one does not exist! I am a Christian and I have no problem with my children seeing nude art (as long as it is not smut).
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Iwog Pioneer100© Member
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Reminds me of Ashcroft spending $8000 to cover the right boob on the "Spirit of Justice" statue. This type of fanatical Christian over-reaction is well documented, and I'd bet real money that this is yet another case of same.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Aethelred wrote: School officials deny they were reacting to the field trip but say there have been problems with McGee's work. yeah, but you're educated, open-minded, and aware that it is YOUR responsibility to educate your children. You are very different from most people outside of Asheville, and not nearly as hyper about a number of things as a lot of people around here are. A surprising number of the people I work with would very much agree with this 'no nudity for children' thing, once they thought of "what would my minister say", so to speak, and THEY work in a school district! Imagine the reaction of the ones who do NOT work in education (and understand that such things are often in museums) and are more closed-minded about education. I'm talking about the millions of "Christians" (according to polls by Christian websites) all across the country who were joined in ranks behind various shouting ministers over the Schiavo thing-- whether they really understood or not didn't matter--- their 'Pastor Bob' had come out against the idea, and so they were THERE with Pastor Bob...no matter what... because supporting 'the church' was more important than thinking it through was.. Especially after something becomes a widespread view-- At the time, I heard someone at work saying "well, I think the husband and family should work it out privately, but I have to support the rest of my church. I can't imagine what they would think if I wasn't there supporting them; it would look funny if I wasn't there with the rest of the church" She (and the 7-8 other people standing there) were ALL involved with what their minister was saying ONLY because it would 'look funny' not to be involved and agreeing with the minister. This is what scares me about a fast-growing and quite significant number of Christian churches--- Once the 'leaders' of the church (or the popular memberes among the congregation) have some opinion, many of the rest will follow it just so they're not left out and seen to not be 'supportive' or worse yet, thought to be 'different'. That kind of thinking is not unusual. But it's especially dangerous when the Christian Faith is involved--- because it's the SAME kind of thing that's going on in Islam that causes everyday Muslims to 'support' terrorists -- 90% of people follow an opinion because someone popular or ' in power ' said it, and not because they want to think for themselves or dare to have an opinion different from that of 'everyone else' This sort of thing is fine when you're talking about the Lions Club, or talking about your neighborhood association. But when the leader of a church is an 'activist minister' who takes his/her interests FAR beyond standing in the pulpit on Sunday and talking about a Bible verse; when political statements are made, or opinions offered about what should be done about something the minister disagrees with personally.. .. you suddenly have a group of people who will follow someone anywhere, whether it makes sense or not-- because it's their Faith that's the fundamental thing, because they want to support 'Pastor Bob', and because they don't want to be seen doing something 'different' than the rest of the crowd.
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member Ye Olde Dead King
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Sirlamre, I try to always support my church. However, if I believe my church is wrong on a given issue I do speak out. I feel that by doing so I am supporting my church all the more. To not speak out when I believe my church is wrong would be giving less than 100% to the church that God has placed me in. There is an upcoming issue where my view is in the minority. I am going to be giving my opinion at a meeting on the subject that we are having this week. There is a good chance that view I support will lose out in the end, but I feel it is my duty to give my opinion on the subject. In the end I will abide by the vote of the majority, even if I do not support the outcome. I believe that most people at my church would also speakk out if they believed the church was wrong. That said, I know there are places where minority opinions are not welcome, but I see it as sad that people are willing to go there
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DesertRat Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member 
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Iwog wrote: FRISCO, Texas (Sept. 26) - A Texas art teacher who was reprimanded after one of her fifth-grade students saw a nude sculpture during a trip to a museum has lost her job. I fail to see anywhere in that article where it says Christianity or anything religious for that matter, was to blame for what happened. Is there more to the story than was printed?
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Good viewpoint to have---- sadly, however, once again, I regard you as the exception, not the rule, in this type of thing.. If it's an issue WITHIN the church, most people will take a side or other- If it's an issue outside the church upon which the minister wants to take a direction, I think some people just don't get involved, and a lot DO support the minister, and don't think too carefully about what they themselves think -- because, their first desire is to support the minister and they aren't so concerned about the actual issue at hand, like the Schiavo thing- they mostly went to wave signs and stand behind thei minister on camera, without thinking too much about it. The result is that Christians are becoming politicized and getting involved in affairs OUTSIDE the scope of true spirituality, anytime the minister happens to have a public view (or, as one person put it, some ministers were in need of something to distract the congregation from looking 'inside' too much- kings are not the only ones to require that particular tool of rulership.) I think that most people would only speak out if the issue affected them personally, otherwise they'd be willing to follow the ministers lead without thinking about it too much. Aethelred wrote: Sirlamre,
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It may be the case that she was not fired for the field trip but she was reprimanded because one of her students saw a nude. What on earth would cause the school to reprimand her for that?
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DesertRat Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member
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sumnom wrote: It may be the case that she was not fired for the field trip but she was reprimanded because one of her students saw a nude. Possibly it was the impetus they needed to finalize a termination that was already in the works. The proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.
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It should not even be a straw. Are teachers in Frisco not allowed to teach Western art history?
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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crap... another perfectly good thread derailing ruined  I DO suspect religious values, and I doubt very seriously if it's that the complaining parent was Shinto... However, my professional opinion is that it WAS the 'method' to implement an NCLB termination that was otherwise politically difficult.... Which I actually applaud-- NCLB, I support... the ways in which it's been 'funded' in theory is what I disagree with --- the dealers in Vegas would LOVE to have the skill to sleight-of-hand around the financial 'cards' the way it's been done to lay the claim (on paper) that NCLB was 'funded' by the Bush Administration... DesertRat wrote: Iwog wrote:FRISCO, Texas (Sept. 26) - A Texas art teacher who was reprimanded after one of her fifth-grade students saw a nude sculpture during a trip to a museum has lost her job.
Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! I am but a vassal of Thine, and Thou art, in truth, the King of kings. I have lifted my suppliant hands unto the heaven of Thy grace and Thy bounties. |
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"FRISCO, Texas (Sept. 26) - A Texas art teacher who was reprimanded after one of her fifth-grade students saw a nude sculpture during a trip to a museum has lost her job." _____________________________________________________________________ The secession of Texas from the United States would be a positive development for the future strength, security, and prosperity of our great country. <positive>  Last edited on 04:18 am by Impedimentus |
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When christians start blowing themselves and other innocent up, your point will have merit. Until then you will always have bizarre examples of human reaction. Can one really argur that American society is more prudent these days? 
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