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Iwog Pioneer100© Member 
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cdmead Original500© Member 
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Have you even read the article? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/30/education/30teacher.html Nowhere does it state religion had anything to do with the firing. "My conclusion was that the case involved Christian moral outrage and intellectual suicide. I'm sure my assumption is right. Does anyone have the balls to say they are sure the assumption is wrong?" Yes. Your logic is totally faulty. Based upon the article you have a better claim that people didn't like the teacher's "flip-flops" causing the firing. You could also argue that it was because the teacher was a woman, and you know how misogynistic those Texans are. There's more to this story than meets the eye; it shouldn't be used to support your personal biases on the most flimsy of pretexts.
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Djord Original500© Member 
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Iwog wrote: It's funny how much mock indignation we got on this thread. Iwog would you like one of these? I have put you on my Christmas list! class=Helvetica14Bobblehead Muhammed? (nydailynews.com) A ceramic bobblehead doll of the Prophet Muhammed - created to resemble the infamous caricature published by a Danish newspaper - is being hawked online for $22.99 a pop by an ex-Marine. The unapologetic creator, Timothy Ames, 28, said the bobblehead is similar to "dashboard Jesus" figurines that can be stuck... Attachment: (Downloaded times)
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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I've said that about the Catholic church for years now.. that, and the fact that they now actively hide child molesters and have a difficult time admitting to the fact that there's anything wrong with that... all the while claiming that "it happened many years ago, why does it matter now" But -- ask THEM of a sin you committed in the far past, and that particular sin STILL has much relevance to your spiritual status now... JustifiedByFaith wrote: Iwog wrote:Roman Catholicism was the Dominant religion. Did Jesus say kill your enemies? You might want to read up again on Rome and Catholicism during the times you cited. Jesus and the church (His Followers) had no part of killing Jews and Muslims. That was done by an organized Religion. Jesus loved the Jews and was a Jew himself. You need to cite properly and not call every faith or belief system that names Christ... Christian.
 Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! I am but a vassal of Thine, and Thou art, in truth, the King of kings. I have lifted my suppliant hands unto the heaven of Thy grace and Thy bounties. |
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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DesertRat wrote:
I love this guy. DesertRat is my hero. I agree. There is so much more here than what meets the eye: 1. We send out parental permission forms stating the location, the lesson, and the type of field trip. The parents had plenty of opportunity to say, "no" and deny permission to attend. No student is ever forced to go when parent permission is not on paper beforehand. 2. No teacher can ever be fired over such an incident as this. Assuming that this art was even "pornographic" in nature, a mistake such as this one never ends careers. After due process, this teacher would have been given a formal repremand. She could even have appealed that and won. No...in order to be terminated for something like this, there has to be a pre-existing, thoroughly documented history of this teacher continuously disregarding or breaking school board policy. 3. School board policy. All of these kinds of things have previously been both discussed and planned for ...for decades! You think this is the first time that a teacher ever got a complaint about art from parents? That goes back centuries! Most school boards understand the kind of reaction they would get from ignorant parents concerning these kinds of things and already have procedures in place. What are we to do? Outlaw "National Geographic? I saw more nudes than one in those in my formative years. No doubt in my mind...there's more here than meets the eye. Of course, being Texas, (and New Mexicans HATE Texans, we have to live next to them!) the probablility of nonsensical, ridiculous behavior is higher. Last edited on 01:59 am by Saint A^2 + B^2 = C^2 |
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Djord Original500© Member
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Blackhawk wrote: That's the work of Evangelo-fascists. They're completely out of step with the rest of the world. Why necessarily would it even have anything to do with religion?And if it did does that mean they have no right to complain, whatever the circumstances were? Between yourself and Iwog, you constantly drag Christianity into the gutter to satisfy your atheistic beliefs. And guess what Christians will not behead you for it, I for one only have sorrow for you, because of your obvious hatred towards God.I really hope both of you find peace in your lifetime, and not find out what it is all about to late.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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I do not agree with bashing Christianity per se--- I'm a believer in Christ. But, I will most DEFINITELY not tolerate hypocritical unthinking fundamentalist extremist predjudicial behaviour done 'in the name of Christ' and I agree with DR and the other post-- there HAS to be more to this-- the firing due to complaint (as I posted before) was just a means to an end - probably one for which an opportunity was waiting... Djord wrote: Blackhawk wrote:That's the work of Evangelo-fascists. They're completely out of step with the rest of the world.
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Given the amount of information in this article is amazing to me that anyone but an anti-religion zealot could come to any conclusion about Christianity. How do we know that the parent that complained wasn't Muslim? Also, I don't know what the situation is like in Texas but in New York a teacher would have to get caught with his hands in a student's pants to get dismissed after 20+ years as a teacher given the strength of the teachers union. There is much more to this then what's described in this article.
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wallstreetman Original500© Member Patriot
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What do you think about the latest Pub scam, they want you to believe that God wants you to have lots of money?
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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pmh1nic wrote: Given the amount of information in this article is amazing to me that anyone but an anti-religion zealot could come to any conclusion about Christianity. How do we know that the parent that complained wasn't Muslim? IT could have been some other religion, or not religious at all -- But nudity concerns are 90% the concern of 'moral' parents of a Christian bent. I SERIOUSLY doubt that a Texas school board would have fired a teacher on the request of a MUSLIM --- not in that state.... they'd probably have run any Muslim who dared appear before them out of the room down in that part of the world... Wasn't too many years ago that black people didn't DARE set foot in such a white persons domain as a schoolboard meeting in Texas (and most of the rest of the Deep South) And you can bet that there's no teacher's union --- they never would have been able to not renew the contract under those terms.... unions generally won't allow for that-- they have to be 'fired', not simply 'not renewed' However, there DEFINTELY is more to it than this.... but I'd bet that it has SOME basis in 'religion' -- and probably NOT any religious minority--- not in Texas... the minorities still know their place there... (sadly)
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"Between yourself and Iwog, you constantly drag Christianity into the gutter to satisfy your atheistic beliefs. And guess what Christians will not behead you for it, I for one only have sorrow for you, because of your obvious hatred towards God.I really hope both of you find peace in your lifetime, and not find out what it is all about to late." You may be suprised to learn that I consider myself a traditional Christian, but certainly would not take part in the current bastardizing of the religion by US fundamentalists. If you are a fundamentalist, maybe you should re-examine your thoughts about others and your religion...the only teachings that you are following are those of overstuffed ministers that seem to think that they're politicians. As a matter of fact, the case could be made that since ancient times, some Christian churches, and especially many of the newist of the "sects" if you will have been constantly changing the word of God to fit the current political ideals of their members. The ultimate manisfestation of this travesty can be seen in the fundamentalist movement in the US.
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"What do you think about the latest Pub scam, they want you to believe that God wants you to have lots of money?" ...see my post above.
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Blackhawk wrote: As a matter of fact, the case could be made that since ancient times, some Christian churches, and especially many of the newist of the "sects" if you will have been constantly changing the word of God to fit the current political ideals of their members. Can you provide clear examples of how the Bible has been changed to fit political ideaology please? I'm interested in knowing what has been changed specifically... not what some individual here or there may speak or have spoken verbally, but where the Bible itself has been changed to specifically meet a political ideal. Please provide the original text and the altered text so we can compare and learn. Since you say it is constantly being changed I'm assuming you have this information readily available so it should be easy for you. Also what are these newist (newest) "sects" you speak of and how have they changed the Bible in their individual sects? To read your statement above one would think that there are different Bible's for different sects.
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DesertRat wrote: Blackhawk wrote:As a matter of fact, the case could be made that since ancient times, some Christian churches, and especially many of the newist of the "sects" if you will have been constantly changing the word of God to fit the current political ideals of their members. How about using the bible extensively to support slavery before the civil war, then replacing the word "slave" with "servent" to radically alter what the original bible said and ment? I think that qualifies easily.
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DesertRat Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member
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Iwog wrote: How about using the bible extensively to support slavery before the civil war, then replacing the word "slave" with "servent" to radically alter what the original bible said and ment? I think that qualifies easily. Actually, the word "slave" does not exist in the original Hebrew (Old Testament) or Greek (New Testament) text's. The word for "slave(s)" is a rendering of the Greek word "soma" meaning "bodies." The Hebrew and Greek words for slave are usually rendered simply "servant," "bondman," or "bondservant" in the original vernacular. The primitive root for servant, bondman or bondservant is the word " 'abad" which occurs 290 times in the Bible; It translates as “serve” 227 times, “do” 15 times, “till” 9 times, “servant” 5 times, “work” 5 times, “worshippers” 5 times, “service” 5 times, “dress” twice, “labour” twice, “ear” twice, and translated miscellaneously 14 times. Another (and the most common) word used to describe a "slave" is derived from the word " 'abad" and is the word " 'ebed". This term is found to occur 800 times in the Bible and translates as “servant” 744 times, “manservant” 23 times, “bondman” 21 times, “bondage” 10 times, “bondservant” once, and “on all sides” once. Edited because this forum hates Firefox Last edited on 06:53 am by DesertRat |
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