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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Political Matters > Are college students finally waking up? |
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member 
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Blackhawk "I never said that I supported illegal immigration. I said that I like the idea of these young people feeling strong enough about something to protest." Protesting something without offering a reason alternative is blowing a lot of hot air.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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OK...after doing some research and reading both sides views of the conflict, I've come to the following conclusions: 1. The Columbia students were wrong to rush the stage. Protesting, even loudly, is OK as long as you don't devolve into a violent mob. Which is exactly what they did. They even admit it themselves, When Gilchrist began to speak, the students inside exercised their Free Speech rights by loudly protesting the presence of this fascist on their campus. More than 20 students—including several ANSWER activists—occupied the stage where they were violently attacked by thugs working with the Minutemen. In spite of the violent attacks against them, they held their ground, and Gilchrist terminated his speech. See where their official annoucement says, "occupied the stage?" That's right when they crossed the line from righteous protesters to out-of-control thugs. 2. Having a violently controversial speaker like the head of the Minuteman project speak at a rabidly liberal college was a ridiculously bad decision by the administration. 3. The Minutemen did no wrong. They were invited, they spoke their beliefs and were attacked fopr them. After that it wsa pure self-defense. 4. The fact that the college did not discipline anyone was the ultimate error, implicitly condoning violent behavior and setting the stage for a sequel. 5. Although I still support student's rights to protest peacefuly...these students are an embarrassment to their schools. Last edited on 08:43 pm by Saint  A^2 + B^2 = C^2 |
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shirohniichan Original500© Member  Obscurius per obscurum
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4. The fact that the college did not discipline anyone was the ultimate error, implicitly condoning violent behavior and setting the stage for a sequel. Yea, verily. As long as the students can threaten people and destroy property with no consequences to them, they will continue doing it. For now the administration is giving the message that thuggery pays.
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thegemmintman Pioneer100© Member 
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Saint wrote:
They were invited by the University's Republican Club. They should have every right to speak without having to worry about their own safety. The Columbia security saw everything and didn't do a thing. I agree with your other points 
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dpoole Pioneer100© Member  Fair and Unbalanced
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As is so often true, it never was even clear what the mob was protesting. A fascist government? The minutemen have nothing to do with government. Anti-immigration? The minutemen only assist border guards in apprehening illegal immigrants, so far as I am aware. The are a civilian activist group, who seek to prod the government to execute our laws, apparently within the law. If this student group did not see it that way and had some reasons for being opposed to the minutemen, I would have been glad to hear it. As it was, the only fascists that became apparent on that stage were these students. To excuse regressive temper-tantruming, intimidation, physical damage and threats as youthful idealism and idealism is preposterous. Such is the way of the Brown Shirts. One of the (presumed) goals of education is to guide such energy and enthusiasm in directions that genuinely influence, impact and make constructive differences in the directions the students' ideals point.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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well, or perhaps threatened with hellfire if they don't agree with that particular ministers' interpretation of the Bible, and it's certainly true that free thought and personal interpretations are NOT encouraged.. People around here have been unchurched for that sort of thing... Particular party, I don't know--- however, they certainly DO go to great lengths to try to convince people to vote along party lines, and try to get people thinking that it's NEVER worth looking at candidates individually, or certainly NEVER any candidates from that 'other' party, the Satanocrats. Blackhawk wrote: "enforced group-think "
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Um.. the entire rural South half of the country? And a good bit (growing fast) of the Southwest as well.... Not too common in medium to larger cities and suburbs of such, that have a more cosmopolitan makeup of where people are from... like Asheville and BC tend to be.. But, outside Buncombe-- oh boy --- it's radical-land out there-- people have VERY conservative views; would vote any way their pastor Bob-the-farmer told them to (incidentally, "pastor" Bob has often never attended a DAY of seminary school in his life-- the high point of his life was a retreat at Bob Jones University once .... but he's 'ordained' as a minister somehow...) You REALLY need to get out of the cities more, Shiro... what's out there in terms of damn near Middle Ages feudal thinking is VERY scary... there's a whole religious side of Jeff Foxworthy's world--- and I sometimes think I fear it more than I do Al-Queda...because there ain't a ONE of them that's a comedian at all.... Same group of folks that managed to get their bought and paid for politicians to VOTE to pass a bill for Terry Schiavo --- no matter WHAT the bill said, that was NONE of Congress's business... and the back country uneducated fundamentalist Pastor Bob types and their followers had everything to do with that... a very scary precedent.. shirohniichan wrote: Blackhawk wrote:"enforced group-think " Last edited on 03:49 am by sirlamre Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! I am but a vassal of Thine, and Thou art, in truth, the King of kings. I have lifted my suppliant hands unto the heaven of Thy grace and Thy bounties. |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Blackhawk wrote: Remember the "American Revolution" guys? Don't feel threatened guys...our nation was founded on protest. Bush doesn't like protest at his ideas and plans...it's unConstitutional (from at least the part of the Constitution that doesn't get in HIS way when he wants to do something)
Turn thou unto God and say: O my Sovereign Lord! I am but a vassal of Thine, and Thou art, in truth, the King of kings. I have lifted my suppliant hands unto the heaven of Thy grace and Thy bounties. |
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shirohniichan Original500© Member Obscurius per obscurum
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dpoole wrote: As is so often true, it never was even clear what the mob was protesting. Yea, verily. The campus Brown Shirts want the right to intimidate their opponents into silence, so they are not proponents of free speech.
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