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class=regLink style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"Special Report class=maroonLink style="FONT-SIZE: 18px"When Nancy Met Harry class=regLink style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"By Jeffrey Lord class=regLink style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"Published 10/5/2006 12:08:06 AM class=regTimes style="FONT-SIZE: 15px" The Pride Parade. That's what it's called in San Francisco when the community gathers for a parade during the annual San Francisco Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Pride Celebration. It is, by all accounts, a wingding of a celebration, too. As the San Francisco Chronicle, the media sponsor of the Pride Parade, put it in their special section devoted to the celebration in 2001, the parade is "the granddaddy, grandma and grandtrannie of 'em all." (That would be trannie as in "transvestite.") The paper, bursting with civic pride, was also pleased to publish the marching order of the parade and all its celebrants. It's quite a list. A who's who of San Francisco.  Then Supervisor and now Democratic mayor Gavin Newsom, members of two Democratic Clubs, California Democratic legislators, the police, sheriff and fire departments and even the director of the Golden Gate Bridge were marching right alongside celebrants from Vulva University, The Stud Bar, and Leather Pride.It is, in short, the San Francisco political establishment whooping it up with its constituents. What interests in all of this in light of the unfolding scandal involving Florida Republican Rep. Mark Foley and his mind-boggling e-mails to a young House page are the participants in spots number 31 and 34 of the Pride Parade. Celebrant number 31 was the late Harry Hay. Harry, it seems, was quite the guy. In fact, it is not too much to say that he was famous in San Francisco. He was famous not only as a founder of the gay rights movement, for his one-time relationship with actor Will Geer (who played Grandpa Walton on The Waltons TV series,) he was also known for being featured in the 1976 documentary film of gay life titled Word Is Out. When he died the following year after the parade, at 90, the New York Times Magazine featured him in "The Lives They Lived," its annual pictorial salute to famous Americans who had passed away during the preceding year. In addition to laudatory obits in both the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, the Chronicle did a considerably flattering obituary. "Harry Hay, gay rights pioneer, dies at 90." The paper favorably notes a number of things in Harry's life, including his left-leaning politics, his connection with the Communist Party in the 1930s and his founding of "The Mattachine Society," a group the Chronicle calls "the first sustained homosexual rights organization in the United States." Fair enough. The Chronicle, however, left something else out of the obituary entirely. It was a very strong belief held by Harry Hay that, if one is to believe all the attention devoted to Harry on the Internet, was common knowledge in San Francisco. Harry Hay was a fierce advocate of man/boy love. While The Chronicle simply ignored Harry's views, the North American Man/Boy Love Association was only too delighted to put up a collection of Harry's views on the need for young boys to have older men as sexual partners. Here's just a sample taken from a talk at a New York University forum sponsored by a campus gay group in 1983. Said Harry: "Because if the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world." In short, San Francisco's beloved Harry Hay was a vigorous and well-known advocate of older men having sex with young boys. He was a fearless and quite famous advocate for Congressman Mark Foley's behavior. Which makes one curious about the presence of marcher number 34 in the 2001 Pride Parade. Marching a mere three spots away from the famous Harry Hay, no doubt waving and smiling to the crowd, was, as the Chronicle logged her in the Official Guide and Program Parade Lineup: "U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi." That would be now Democratic leader of the U.S. Congress and the candidate of the Democratic Party to be the next Speaker of the House of Representatives, the official third in line to be President of the United States. Surely this is a different Rep. Nancy Pelosi from the one who currently has on her website as Minority Leader the following statement: "Republican leaders admitted to knowing about Mr. Foley's abhorrent behavior for six months to a year and failed to protect the children in their trust. Republican Leaders must be investigated by the Ethics Committee and immediately questioned under oath." Abhorrent behavior? If men having sex with children is "abhorrent behavior" then it seems it would be quite logical for a United States Congresswoman to stand up and protest the presence of one of its leading advocates having a place of honor in a civic parade -- a parade in which she herself would be marching mere steps behind him. If Representative Pelosi took the time to condemn Harry Hay's presence in the Pride Parade, there is no evidence that I can find. Nor did she refuse to march in the parade as a protest of Mr. Hay. Nor did she issue a statement warning parents that they were bringing their kids to a parade where Mr. Hay was one of the featured attractions. What Representative Pelosi chose to do instead -- as did much of civic San Francisco -- is blithely give a wink-and-a-nod to ole Harry and his interest in little boys. Not only does a moment like this unintentionally reveal the mindset of what Representative Pelosi and her fellow Democrats may really think but can't -- yet -- support. (This is, after all, the city where now-Mayor Newsom took it upon himself to break new cultural ground by authorizing the performance of same-sex marriages -- in violation of California law.) It also raises the question of whether the acceptance of Harry Hay and his views is a snapshot of a larger, unspoken agenda that San Francisco Democrats want the national Democratic Party to eventually pursue when they return to a Congressional majority -- and the White House. After all, if Harry Hay's views were not only celebrated in a parade in San Francisco but were not even thought out-of-the-mainstream enough to draw the slightest protest from Ms. Pelosi, why should there be protests over a move to eventually change the laws about men having sex with boys in Pennsylvania or Missouri or Virginia? There's two words for that kind of agenda. "Abhorrent behavior."
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Makarovii Original500© Member  Privyet tovarishi!
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What, no dems going to step up to the plate to protest this outting? :exactly: Last edited on 06:02 am by Makarovii |
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wait. I misread the article.... hang on.... Last edited on 07:36 am by sumnom |
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I had never heard of Harry Hay before reading this article so I cannot really comment on him or his beliefs. I do have some questions though. Has Pelosi ever come out in support of Hay or any of his alleged beliefs? Does the author have any evidence to suggest that Pelosi or the Democratic Party support "man/boy love?" Most importantly, do the claims of this essay in any way change the nature of the actions of Foley and Hastert?
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sumnom wrote: I had never heard of Harry Hay before reading this article so I cannot really comment on him or his beliefs. I do have some questions though. I'm still waiting for proof that Hastert did what he's been accused of. All I've heard is that he received the same info that three newspapers considered non-news three years ago...
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I have been searching for info about Harry Hay. How ironic that Djord should have led me to him. It does indeed seem that Hay was a NAMBLA supporter but not a member. I haven't actually read any of his speeches in support of that organization but they are on-line. What was the info that Hastert and the papers had three years ago? Last edited on 08:15 am by sumnom |
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Comment on Entry: Jim McDermott implicated in Foley pederasty scandal, authored by Stefan Sharkansky 1. Yes, it may be lame, but it is funny too. I will give credit when due. Posted by frogtalk4u at October 5, 2006 10:58 AM 2. Why has the Reichert campaign scrubbed its website of pictures that show Reichert and Foley together? Why are they being so defensive? Posted by John A. at October 5, 2006 10:59 AM 3. Oh guilt By Association. You mean like Cantwell and Dotzauer. Posted by Giffy at October 5, 2006 11:03 AM 4. Why are they scrubbing the photos? To keep lib idiots who like to photoshop stupid photos from getting an opportunity. Libs have the mental capacity of 4-year olds and a sense of humor to match, to why tempt them? (Just see blatherwatch) It's kind of like taking a lighter away from a pyro. Posted by Steve_dog at October 5, 2006 11:04 AM 5. Anyone who has been following politics for a while knows that this is ultimately going to hurt the Democrats more than the Republicans. In the past, it might have been that a story like this could have been broken in the tightly controlled world of the mainstream media, and there would have been just and only enough detail to leave the party of the accused exposed. But in today's media savvy blogospheric world, the October surprise, especially one such as this, is quickly exposed for its intent, scope, initiating events, etc. providing just enough for the average voter to see that it's just a political game. Americans have never enjoyed being tricked into their views. My prediction is that regardless of any polls (any we all know how accurate Dem polls are as we lead up to an election,) there is a huge, latent frustration amongst the electorate that will severely punish the Democrat party and its tricks, come November. Posted by Jeff B. at October 5, 2006 11:05 AM 6. Lame comparison? Oh, I don't know - Baghdad Jim is indeed "a mite touched" (as a Son of the Soil would say). Posted by ewaggin at October 5, 2006 11:13 AM 7. This article is from the American Spectator pretty well lays out the banality of the Democrat case - I don't share it because I have any use for Republican politicians it's just that the unbridled sanctimony of the Democrat's mock indignation galls me When Nancy Met Harry By Jeffrey Lord Published 10/5/2006 12:08:06 AM The Pride Parade. That's what it's called in San Francisco when the community gathers for a parade during the annual San Francisco Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Pride Celebration. It is, by all accounts, a wingding of a celebration, too. As the San Francisco Chronicle, the media sponsor of the Pride Parade, put it in their special section devoted to the celebration in 2001, the parade is "the granddaddy, grandma and grandtrannie of 'em all." (That would be trannie as in "transvestite.") The paper, bursting with civic pride, was also pleased to publish the marching order of the parade and all its celebrants. It's quite a list. A who's who of San Francisco. Then Supervisor and now Democratic mayor Gavin Newsom, members of two Democratic Clubs, California Democratic legislators, the police, sheriff and fire departments and even the director of the Golden Gate Bridge were marching right alongside celebrants from Vulva University, The Stud Bar, and Leather Pride. It is, in short, the San Francisco political establishment whooping it up with its constituents. What interests in all of this in light of the unfolding scandal involving Florida Republican Rep. Mark Foley and his mind-boggling e-mails to a young House page are the participants in spots number 31 and 34 of the Pride Parade. Celebrant number 31 was the late Harry Hay. Harry, it seems, was quite the guy. In fact, it is not too much to say that he was famous in San Francisco. He was famous not only as a founder of the gay rights movement, for his one-time relationship with actor Will Geer (who played Grandpa Walton on The Waltons TV series,) he was also known for being featured in the 1976 documentary film of gay life titled Word Is Out. When he died the following year after the parade, at 90, the New York Times Magazine featured him in "The Lives They Lived," its annual pictorial salute to famous Americans who had passed away during the preceding year. In addition to laudatory obits in both the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, the Chronicle did a considerably flattering obituary. "Harry Hay, gay rights pioneer, dies at 90." The paper favorably notes a number of things in Harry's life, including his left-leaning politics, his connection with the Communist Party in the 1930s and his founding of "The Mattachine Society," a group the Chronicle calls "the first sustained homosexual rights organization in the United States." Fair enough. The Chronicle, however, left something else out of the obituary entirely. It was a very strong belief held by Harry Hay that, if one is to believe all the attention devoted to Harry on the Internet, was common knowledge in San Francisco. Harry Hay was a fierce advocate of man/boy love. While The Chronicle simply ignored Harry's views, the North American Man/Boy Love Association was only too delighted to put up a collection of Harry's views on the need for young boys to have older men as sexual partners. Here's just a sample taken from a talk at a New York University forum sponsored by a campus gay group in 1983. Said Harry: "Because if the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world." In short, San Francisco's beloved Harry Hay was a vigorous and well-known advocate of older men having sex with young boys. He was a fearless and quite famous advocate for Congressman Mark Foley's behavior. Which makes one curious about the presence of marcher number 34 in the 2001 Pride Parade. Marching a mere three spots away from the famous Harry Hay, no doubt waving and smiling to the crowd, was, as the Chronicle logged her in the Official Guide and Program Parade Lineup: "U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi." That would be now Democratic leader of the U.S. Congress and the candidate of the Democratic Party to be the next Speaker of the House of Representatives, the official third in line to be President of the United States. Surely this is a different Rep. Nancy Pelosi from the one who currently has on her website as Minority Leader the following statement: "Republican leaders admitted to knowing about Mr. Foley's abhorrent behavior for six months to a year and failed to protect the children in their trust. Republican Leaders must be investigated by the Ethics Committee and immediately questioned under oath." Abhorrent behavior? If men having sex with children is "abhorrent behavior" then it seems it would be quite logical for a United States Congresswoman to stand up and protest the presence of one of its leading advocates having a place of honor in a civic parade -- a parade in which she herself would be marching mere steps behind him. If Representative Pelosi took the time to condemn Harry Hay's presence in the Pride Parade, there is no evidence that I can find. Nor did she refuse to march in the parade as a protest of Mr. Hay. Nor did she issue a statement warning parents that they were bringing their kids to a parade where Mr. Hay was one of the featured attractions. What Representative Pelosi chose to do instead -- as did much of civic San Francisco -- is blithely give a wink-and-a-nod to ole Harry and his interest in little boys. Not only does a moment like this unintentionally reveal the mindset of what Representative Pelosi and her fellow Democrats may really think but can't -- yet -- support. (This is, after all, the city where now-Mayor Newsom took it upon himself to break new cultural ground by authorizing the performance of same-sex marriages -- in violation of California law.) It also raises the question of whether the acceptance of Harry Hay and his views is a snapshot of a larger, unspoken agenda that San Francisco Democrats want the national Democratic Party to eventually pursue when they return to a Congressional majority -- and the White House. After all, if Harry Hay's views were not only celebrated in a parade in San Francisco but were not even thought out-of-the-mainstream enough to draw the slightest protest from Ms. Pelosi, why should there be protests over a move to eventually change the laws about men having sex with boys in Pennsylvania or Missouri or Virginia? There's two words for that kind of agenda. "Abhorrent behavior." Jeffrey Lord is the author of The Borking Rebellion. A Reagan White House political director, he is now a writer in Pennsylvania. Posted by JDH at October 5, 2006 11:14 AM 8. "Hypocricy is the homage vice pays to virtue." - Francois de la Rochefoucauld Posted by Steve at October 5, 2006 11:18 AM 9. I hold no brief for the reprehensible actions of Rep. Foley but if one re-frames the issue with consideration of the liberal position of legalization of same sex marriage, then a different light is cast upon it. The age of consent in Washington, D.C. is 16. If same-sex marriage was legal, then Rep. Foley would only be guilty of "wooing" a romantic partner. You reap what you sow- liberals ought to remember that. Posted by John425 at October 5, 2006 11:34 AM 10. Breaking News on Drudge about this. Posted by Mark D at October 5, 2006 11:36 AM 11. Beat me Mark, **World Exclusive** **Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT** According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led to the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal... Developing... Posted by JCM at October 5, 2006 11:38 AM 12. As a loyal Democrat I am ashamed of McDermott! He is a pedophile enabler! Posted by [url=mailto  emocrat@cc.net]Democrat[/url] at October 5, 2006 11:56 AM 13. "Oh guilt By Association. You mean like Cantwell and Dotzauer. Posted by Giffy at October 5, 2006 11:03 AM" Uhhhhhhh, Giffy.....headboard slammin', git r' on sexual relationships a week before his wedding is a bit more than "association". So are $50,000 unrepaid loans. So are political contributions "LAUNDERED" thru Dotzy's sham corporate entity so contributor's can launder and deduct political contributions......and Dotzy can try to rationalize they are somehow transformed into "ORDINARY BUSINESS EXPENSES" so he can also EVADE child support!!! This is oh so juicy Giffy. Hopefully the IRS is already in there. They have PROBABLE CAUSE to seize any & all Dotzauer records...as well as those of other complicent thieving lying bastards! Any professional business person knows Dotzy is in deep, deep sh*t....with Maria up to her rear-end in alligators too! Hold on Giffy. You are about to enter the NO-SPIN ZONE!!!! Take your dramamine a$$wipe!!! Posted by dude at October 5, 2006 12:48 PM 14. Grampa Walton was gay?! Crap! Posted by alphabet soup at October 5, 2006 01:15 PM 15. Soup-- And I thought Grandpa Walton walked funny cuz he wiped his butt with sandpaper! Posted by Mr. Cynical at October 5, 2006 01:18 PM 16. Speaking of lame... The Democrats are saying "Vote for us for change because the Republicans are acting like us"!? Posted by sr at October 5, 2006 01:59 PM 17. What's a pederast, Walter? Posted by Adam at October 5, 2006 02:57 PM 18. Look it up in the dictionary, Adam. Posted by sr at October 5, 2006 03:40 PM 19. Funny how stories like this Foley nonsense instantly shove other so-called hot stories into oblivion. Witness how nobody gives a rip now about Woodward's book, (should Rumsfeld resign?), or Clinton inelegantly blowing his stack on national TV. Such is our 21st Century attention span. I have to believe that ABC and the Dems broke the Foley story way too early, as did Woodward in releasing his book. Dummies. By November everyone will have forgotten about all of this. Posted by Bill Cruchon at October 5, 2006 04:46 PM 20. Bill, I have been hearing the Clinton fiasco forced their hands too early. And Clinton did that on purpose; he just ignored that no one cares about HIM anymore. Posted by swatter at October 5, 2006 04:51 PM 21. "Bill, I have been hearing the Clinton fiasco forced their hands too early." swatter, how delicious would that be? Posted by Bill Cruchon at October 5, 2006 05:01 PM 22. Not to mention the Mel "the Monkey Spanker" Reynolds episode back in 94. I just don't remember the D's getting all that upset about it. But then, he was black, a liberal democrat and they were 15 year old girls. Besides, Clinton pardoned him. Posted by Hinton at October 5, 2006 05:29 PM 23. Thanks to the wonder of alternative news sources, I believe this is going to bite the democRats in the behind. I can't find any mention of Ms. Peabrained Pelosi condemning Studds with the same ferocity as Foley and Studds was actually having relations with a young male page. Studds should have been ridden out of town on a rail; instead he got the usual severe finger wagging and a stern admonishment. I realize Ms. Pelosi didn't get to Congress until after the incident but the scumbag should have been hounded out of office and she should have joined the chorus on that one. The big difference between moonbats and conservatives is that conservatives usually do something about the offending party and their bad behavior. Could you imagine the New York Slime coverage if a woman accused a sitting Republican president of rape or inappropriate sexual conduct?If a liberal president does it, we are told to butt out because that's his "private" life. The hyprocrisy is just mind boggling. However, I think the tide is starting to turn and people are finally able to see clear examples of this "do as I say, not as I do" behavior. The demoCraps should implement a new official model" "Illegal and immoral behavior is ok so long as you vote for us." Posted by Burdabee at October 5, 2006 05:49 PM 24. Oops--should have been "motto" not "model". Posted by Burdabee at October 5, 2006 05:50 PM 25. Is Foley sending an explicit message to a teenager during this shot? Or did he confine such behavior to votes on our national security? Seriously-- what does the former Sherriff of King County think of Hastert and Boehner's investigative techniques? Care to ask him? Those soccer and security moms in Bellevue might like to know. (Oops-- this is a blog based in Seattle, and therefore should stay out of Eastside politics. I forgot!) Posted by Paddy Mac at October 5, 2006 07:30 PM 26. ...and i'm looking to these elected guys & women to protect me against REAL bomb-throwers & throat-cutters?!! sheeeeyat! i'd be better off converting now. Posted by jimmie-howya-doin at October 5, 2006 08:07 PM 27. Oh yeah, the Dems will make sure the pages are protected, you betcha.......by insisting that condoms are used. Posted by ewaggin at October 5, 2006 08:22 PM 28. patti-whack - is that your head bobbing up and down in front of McDimwitt? Posted by alphabet soup at October 5, 2006 08:22 PM 29. Who should investigate this mess? (Not Louis Freeh, obviously.) We need someone with experience in Congress, who understands, from a clinically detached perspective, the sick mind of a child molester. Someone who has previously served on the Ethics Committee. Someone with no connection to the tainted "leaders" of our House. As a citizen of Seattle, I nominate Dr. James McDermott, psychiatrist, for this task. He should have full subpoena power, and at least the budget that Judge Starr had. I'm sure he'll find even more than we now know, and submit a full report to the House. I eagerly await his report on our Houses's (soon to be former) "leaders". Posted by Paddy Mac at October 5, 2006 09:09 PM 30. I can see how it would be easy to fill a gaping hole in your life with something as fluid as basement level quibbling, but all of your effort and sh__ talking does nothing whatsoever. it is a completely useless endeavor, thus, it can only be assumed that you all have absolutely boring, impotent lives. Posted by tim at October 5, 2006 10:05 PM 31. It's all sick, but I can't help remembering Barney Franks homosexual whorehouse operating out of his basement. When caught, Barney Franks claimed innocence and ignorance, then blamed his significant other for conducting the entire operation under his nose. Good old honest Barney is still representing his district. Massuchusetts is easily the most shamefully gullible state in the Union. Posted by Elaine at October 5, 2006 10:33 PM 32. Well, Jim McDermott tried to stop the rot. He exposed Rep. Boehner's complicity in then-Speaker Gingrich's swindling of our House Ethics Committee. Rep. Boehner attacked his critic with a frivolous lawsuit,, and Gingrich remained Speaker-- until his resignation in disgrace. (He continued screwing a House staffer until the end of his tenure. At least Clinton did not ask us to pay for his girlfriend!) Gingrich's hand-picked successor also resigned in disgrace over a sex scandal. If Hastert resigns, he'll be the third consecutive Republican House Speaker to resign in disgrace over a sexual scandal. Care to predict McDermott's re-election numbers? Posted by Paddy Mac at October 5, 2006 10:35 PM 33. Gee Paddy-Mac, you sure seem in the know and in the middle of it! Do tell all! Posted by Elaine at October 5, 2006 10:48 PM 34. While he was taping illegal phone conversations. I see. Thanks for putting Jim on such a pedistal for all to see. He is truey a hero in all our minds! Posted by GS at October 6, 2006 06:36 AM 35. GS, Just remember, it's OK to put your lover - who runs a prostitition ring - on the government payroll if you're a Democrat; see Barney Frank. Republicans, though, can't do the same. And even when they resign because of it, we're still to blame... You know, double standards and all! Posted by Edmonds Dan at October 6, 2006 07:30 AM 36. And here is the list of provable offenses that Jim McDumbfsck has: 1) Wiretapping without a warrant 2) Deceiving the public 3) Treason and aiding the enemy 4) Releasing of state secrets involving spy satellites Enjoy. Posted by ChehalisDad at October 6, 2006 01:45 PM 37. Sex scandals are so fun. They keep our minds off nuclear war.... Posted by ljm at October 6, 2006 02:23 PM 38. did u know Nancy pelosi pro gay..all this crap just dirty politic,by the way cantwell and muray extrem liberal open border again the fence. http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/martin/060929
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It was a mistake to feed this troll, sumnom. We read the piece and gave it the inattention it deserved.
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It's absurd to presume that Pelosi supports NMBLA just because she seeks support from her Bay area gay constituency. Grandpa Walton was gay, but I don't remember John Boy complaining that he hit on him.
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That's because John Boy wasn't a paranoid neocon with a hairy back.
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BNE, you are so right. I don't know what I was thinking.
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sumnom wrote: BNE, you are so right. I don't know what I was thinking.  <I don't know what I was thinking.> You're forgiven this time, but don't do it again, heh.;)
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Understood.
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