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Do they take their work too seriously over there? I remember reading lots of stories in the past where in some Asian areas, like Japan I think it was, they kill themselves if their fail at work too badly. LINK Excerpts: BEIJING (AP) -- The head of a Chinese toy manufacturing company at the center of a huge U.S. recall has committed suicide, a state-run newspaper said Monday. Zhang Shuhong, who co-owned Lee Der Industrial Co. Ltd., killed himself at a warehouse over the weekend, days after China announced it had temporarily banned exports by the company, the Southern Metropolis Daily said. ... It was among the largest recalls in recent months involving Chinese products, which have come under fire for globally for containing potentially dangerous high levels of chemicals and toxins.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Unlike our country...........some people do actually feel living with disgrace, is not an option. People even kill their child ( I think that was a Middle Eastern man) if they disgrace their family. Orientals are a very proud people. He probably didn't want to live with the fact that his friend let him down, but also felt he had to die in order to "save face" for his family! Wish our corporate leaders felt this way......................
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foxglovepress wrote: Unlike our country...........some people do actually feel living with disgrace, is not an option. People even kill their child ( I think that was a Middle Eastern man) if they disgrace their family. Orientals are a very proud people. He probably didn't want to live with the fact that his friend let him down, but also felt he had to die in order to "save face" for his family! Wish our corporate leaders felt this way...................... I'm not sure I actually agree with this guy killing himself, if I understand the facts right. It sounds to me like he wasn't aware that there was this problem that lead to the recall. If he had some involvement in the problem, or discovered it and tried to cover it up, then I say, good riddance. But if his only involvement was to be head of the company where this happened, I feel a lot more sympathy. In any big company, the person at the top rarely has direct involvement at every level. As the company head, he bears personal responsibility for at least not making sure that safeguards were in place to keep this from happening. But I think that's different than if he knew about the lead paint and did nothing.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote:Unlike our country...........some people do actually feel living with disgrace, is not an option. People even kill their child ( I think that was a Middle Eastern man) if they disgrace their family. Orientals are a very proud people. He probably didn't want to live with the fact that his friend let him down, but also felt he had to die in order to "save face" for his family! Wish our corporate leaders felt this way...................... I agree Brian. But Orientals are a very proud people. Him being the head of the company that had such a serious problem would be all it would take for him or do this! He would take full responsibility, UNLIKE our company leaders. You or I might see it differently, but I lived with the Japanese for over a year, and I'm telling you, it doesn't surprise me he did this.
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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foxglovepress wrote: I agree Brian. But Orientals are a very proud people. Him being the head of the company that had such a serious problem would be all it would take for him or do this! He would take full responsibility, UNLIKE our company leaders. You or I might see it differently, but I lived with the Japanese for over a year, and I'm telling you, it doesn't surprise me he did this. hmmm....taking full responsibility to me would be living with the consequences. Killing oneself is taking the easy way out. Rather selfish. imho.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Amy wrote: foxglovepress wrote:I agree Brian. But Orientals are a very proud people. Him being the head of the company that had such a serious problem would be all it would take for him or do this! He would take full responsibility, UNLIKE our company leaders. You or I might see it differently, but I lived with the Japanese for over a year, and I'm telling you, it doesn't surprise me he did this. VERY SELFISH! But you have to understand these people, or at least the ones I use to live around. If they kill themselves, then to the remaining family and public, they've paid the price so to speak!
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Marie5656 Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Just hanging out
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I agree with you, Foxglove! Asians are a very proud lot, and disgracing the family, and the employees of the company is probably the worst of all disgraces. In OUR Western culture, we would view this differently, but we Americans are more apt to blame everyone else rather than take responsibility for the problems. For us, it is always the other guy's fault.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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I'm not sure I actually agree with this guy killing himself, if I understand the facts right. It sounds to me like he wasn't aware that there was this problem that lead to the recall. Obviously, he felt that he should have known. In any big company, the person at the top rarely has direct involvement at every level. As the company head, he bears personal responsibility for at least not making sure that safeguards were in place to keep this from happening. But I think that's different than if he knew about the lead paint and did nothing. Brian, you are usually very intelligent and right on the money, but I'm calling you on this one. The leader has to take the responsibility. If they didn't know, it's still their fault. They should have known. If you are a contractor and you sub-contract a job, then it goes bad, that's still your fault for not checking. I deal with this every day. As a teacher, I do my absolute best to teach the kids every single day. But if a family doesn't value education and doesn't require their student to attend, I'm still responsible for that kid's test scores. It doesn't seem fair, shouldn't the parents be held accountable? But that's the way it is.
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Amy Original500© Member ...going with the flow...
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foxglovepress wrote: Amy wrote:foxglovepress wrote:I agree Brian. But Orientals are a very proud people. Him being the head of the company that had such a serious problem would be all it would take for him or do this! He would take full responsibility, UNLIKE our company leaders. You or I might see it differently, but I lived with the Japanese for over a year, and I'm telling you, it doesn't surprise me he did this. Isn't it amazing how different cultures deal with issues so differently?
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Saint wrote: I'm not sure I actually agree with this guy killing himself, if I understand the facts right. It sounds to me like he wasn't aware that there was this problem that lead to the recall. Saint: I'm not talking about corporate responsibility. Obviously, "the buck stops here". I'm talking about moral responsibility. If one of your students doesn't attend class, and they get lousy test scores, are you held accountable? Yes. Are you morally responsible for the failure? Not that I can tell. In a huge corporation, there are always many levels. It's possible that the paint being supplied for the toys was tested at one time, and then changed by the supplier. It's possible the boss never thought his friend would be so idiotic as to supply paint laced with lead. I'm not saying the ball wasn't dropped. I'm saying that this particular person seems to be the victim of someone else's foolishness/greed, rather than being implicated in wrongdoing himself. Certainly, he's not implicated, IMHO, to the degree that he should be committing hari-kari.
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Yeah, I'd have to agree with you that killing yourself is taking personal responsibility to an extreme, but actually I find it kind of refreshing after dealing with the "It's not my fault" personality here in the U.S. for so long.
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If anything, it makes China even MORE threatening. Besides having the productive capacity to supply the world, they will even DIE to compete. The US is a goner.
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Now, now. Let's not abandon ship just yet. Sure we're taking on water, but you forget our motto, "We have not yet begun to fight!" What we've got that China doesn't is a tendency to come up with startling technological advances. We just have to learn to market them instead of giving them away like we did flat screen technology and Videcassette Recorders.
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wallstreetman Original500© Member Patriot
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This is not about pride, it is about greed, like wallstreet jumping out of windows in 29!
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China just had it's food safety comissioner executed for taking bribes. If this toy company guy was on the take, he may have felt that suicide was the easiest way out.
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