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I've been designing and creating clothing for as long as I can remember. I call it a hobby but other's want to buy my clothes. I see what I do as an extension of the other kinds of arts I do - Painting, drawing, sculpting, machine embroidery etc. The problem I have with making clothing for others is what I make is what I have in my head at the time. I dont' think I could cope with someone telling me how or what to make or create. I'm not a dressmaker but an artist. Recently my neice ask me to design and make a walldrobe of dresses skirts tops etc. for her to wear to work. She's in a very up-market hair salon and she'd like clothing to reflect that . She believes that it will get me some business - which brings me to problem number 2 - I dont' make the same thing twice.To me they are not just dresses but pieces of artwork which really you can't have a dozen of. 3rd problem - her people spoke to a hair dresser in the next town and now he want's me to design some pieces for a hair exhibition he's hoping to hold there. (OH SHIT) 4th problem a small business in another town heard about the hairdresser in the other town and now wants some clothing for her shop "to see how they'll sell." I am only one woman ! I'm essentially a lazy person and to create things on demand would send me nuts. SO what do I do?
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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I can very much relate. I too am an artists of all kinds, and I felt that I probably understand where your head is at. Considering how you are (lazy, creastive, etc.), the value of being happy, and the fact that a creative person tends to do best when they feel truly excited and passionate, this sentence says it all:I dont' think I could cope with someone telling me how or what to make or create. I'm not a dressmaker but an artist. If you add in this: The problem I have with making clothing for others is what I make is what I have in my head at the time. And this: I dont' make the same thing twice.To me they are not just dresses but pieces of artwork which really you can't have a dozen of. It sounds to me like you need to do EXACTLY what you love to do. Instead of spending the extra energy and pain on catering to people, making items, and engaging in ventures that don't turn you on big time, spend that energy on marketing and building something that sells exactly what you love to do most. In my opinion, when you focus on doing what you truly love to do, the odds are that the journey to failure won't be as painful or as likely, and the journey to success would be easier and more thrilling. You only live once, and if you are fortunate enough to be in a position where you have a shot at building something of your creative dreams, I don't see the sense in throwing away that kind of opportunity. You never know what will happen next week or next year - this might be the last time you ever get this much of a real shot at it.
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go for it!! you could be the next christian lacroix!  ...hey, i need a beautiful sexy black dress.Last edited on 12:54 am by Lady Cop  |
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Why not just create the pattern and let them make the clothes or allow them to hire someone to make them. Let each pattern have some room so your clients can customize the style or color so each person who buys your pattern actually has the opportunity to make each one unique. That also solves your problem as an artist..... to envision and create only one of your art work and yet give it "life" where other can enjoy your creativity and enjoy what the uniqueness they have added. Last edited on 01:34 am by |
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Check YOU out Mercurynut. You go girlfriend!
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I have my moments when I am not eating instant potatoes.
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Or spicy fries  Now we need feedback from the lovely Magenta.
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Mercurynut wrote: Why not just create the pattern and let them make the clothes or allow them to hire someone to make them. Let each pattern have some room so your clients can customize the style or color so each person who buys your pattern actually has the opportunity to make each one unique. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!! I'm sorry Mercurynut that would be like hanging a Vincent Van Gogh 'paint by numbers' on your wall. Oh god I couldn't cope with that. Plus that suggestion would involve copyright crap etc. I only make clothing from Indian and asian silks to think one of my creations could end up in a Butterwick catalogue with someone making it out of an old cotton sheet would be a blaspheme! Umm I guess I should put one of them up so you know what I mean. Lady cop. I mostly design evening wear and the like. what I ask most people to do is give me their measurements, what kind of material they like, Heavy, light etc. Colour, not so much of the dress but colours they feel they want surrounding them on the occasion they wear the dress , And a couple of words to describe how they want to feel in that garment. (I hate the word 'pretty', grown women should never feel 'pretty' they should always feel beautiful, stunning, elegant etc.) Then I get to work
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Well I guess I'll have to change the title of the thread because I've decided . I'll make the clothing for my niece and keep the hairdressers happy. As for the shop well they can wait. Maybe if I keep them waiting it will come across a bit exclusive. And lets face it I'll have live real models wearing my clothing around anyway. I'm not into making money, I'm quite comfortable thankyou very much, but I would like to see my artwork out there doing something. SO after I've finished the costumes for the end of the year school play. (how the heck did I end up with eight costumes?) I'll get to work.
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Twitchin Kitten Pioneer100© Member  Don't Dream It ~ Be It
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I say go for it too! Like you, I can 'see' my creation and how I want it to come out. So goes the same with my sewing (I dabble, surely not as talented as you!) But I would simply make things that you want, in a size that is not too big or too small and put it in the shop as you make them. No choices, no custom orders unless you want them. Do a couple, see how they sell and keep it ALL on your terms and timeline. This keeps you out of Simplicity and Butterick too!
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Outré Original500© Member  Red-headed stepchild
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Sorry for reviving an "old" thread, but I wasn't here yet when this discussion took place. Magenta flame you say; The problem I have with making clothing for others is what I make is what I have in my head at the time. I dont' think I could cope with someone telling me how or what to make or create. I'm not a dressmaker but an artist. and after a few responses, one which suggested you let others make patterns of what you create; ... that would be like hanging a Vincent Van Gogh 'paint by numbers' on your wall. Oh god I couldn't cope with that. Plus that suggestion would involve copyright crap etc. But, you may have overlooked that the possibility exists that someone will wear one of your creations somewhere where a designer may choose to adapt your design and get the credit rather than you licensing the design to high-end design shops and getting the credit and the recompense for your creative work. I think too often that artists - an I am a fledgling artist and writer - think that charging for artistic expression is a crime of some sort. It's not really. especially when you think about the fact that someone is going to knock-ff your work sometime if you continue to create it. I'm sure that there are plenty of Van Gogh, Renoir, Picasso, Matisse, Degas, Dali and even O'Keefe knock-offs out there. They can't claim they were by the artist, but they can create a painting in the style of a Master. Back to your particular situation. It's all up to you. Keep creating here and there and maybe someday see an entire line that mimics your work. Or find out how to limit distribution now, with credit and recompense coming to you when and where you allow it to be copied. I'm sure Chanel, Yves Saint Laurent, Pierre Cardin, LaCroix and others have ways of protecting their designs so the exact copy doesn't show up everywhere the week after they do a show. You could be a limited edition designer command thousands for one Academy Award creation. Or a dress worn for a royal coronation - or other state event. Like I said, it's up to you. I just wanted to point out that others can, and most likely will, knock-off your creations. Why not get the credit for it if they do? Outré
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Magenta flame wrote:I'm not into making money, I'm quite comfortable thankyou very much, that pretty much sums it up. If you are not "hungry" to have your products, whatever they might be - available for the public on a bigger scale then just "making one piece for one person", then clothing making is not really for you. You are more like a painter with a gallery show. It takes painters forever to create all the art for their shows. The paintings (or whatever) are put up on a wall. People come look at the paintings and buy them. once they are bought they are not made again. There is NOTHING wrong with this. ALSO, it finally comes down to one main thing - desire. If you don't have the desire to make the clothing for all of these people who are asking for it - just tell them that you can't do it. Don't fret over it or think about it - just say - sorry, not at this time. sounds like you make stuff that people want. The rest is up to you to make it or not make it. The ball is 100% in your court if the demand is there. Last edited on 04:09 pm by |
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"ALSO, it finally comes down to one main thing - desire." I'm not much of an artist in any sense of the word but my gut feeling is desire is the fire that fuels creativity. Being put in a position where "creativity on demand" is required sounds like it would be VERY stressful and in my opinion there is no amount of money or recognition worth sacrificing peace of mind.
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