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muddawber Guardian1000© Member 
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Popeyesays wrote: My grandfather was a high-level Mason; but I never had anything to do with them. So, it is my outside opinion that this anti-Mason propaganda is drek plain and simple. Gullibility is the conspiracy theorist by-word. By high-level Mason, do you mean a Shriner? There are really no high-level masons. There are only three degrees of Masonry. Then, if you choose to go into the Shriners, depending on which rite you go into( Scottish Rite or York Rite) there are over 30 degrees there, but they are still no more a Mason than a third degree Mason, but they have to be a Mason before becoming a Shriner. I was a third degree for a number of years, but now, I am an inactive member.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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My grandfather was a Shriner too, up in Ilinois. My dad was never interested, and neither was I. Have no use for secret societies, but I don't have ANY use for conspiracy theorists either. However, Erinna, I have to disagree with you --- Sometimes it's FUN to annoy the pig!  Last edited on 02:44 am by sirlamre  Armed with the power of Thy name nothing can ever hurt me, and with Thy love in my heart all the world's afflictions can in no wise alarm me. |
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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muddawber wrote: Popeyesays wrote:My grandfather was a high-level Mason; but I never had anything to do with them. So, it is my outside opinion that this anti-Mason propaganda is drek plain and simple. Gullibility is the conspiracy theorist by-word. Cool stuff. I've always been interested in the Freemasons. Was it worth the experience and time? Did you learn worthwhile stuff, or not really?
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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24HourNut wrote: muddawber wrote:Popeyesays wrote:My grandfather was a high-level Mason; but I never had anything to do with them. So, it is my outside opinion that this anti-Mason propaganda is drek plain and simple. Gullibility is the conspiracy theorist by-word. Some of it is worth while. The one thing you gain, is using your memory. Nothing is written down as far as the rites. It is all done by memory. You have a teacher who has committed everything to memory, usually one of the elder members, and he teaches you everything you have to know and say. There is a whole butt load, too. Another thing that is worthwhile is the different people you come in contact with. You know, those that want to take over the world. 
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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I must say that probably one of the leading things about being a Mason is that it IS a memorization oriented group. That alone is probably one of the reasons it's members succeed at a lot of things. connections to other Masons aside. I firmly believe (but sadly, don't practice) that a very well developed ability to easily do long term memorization of =anything= is probably the single most useful skill a human can have. And the more that we lose that, the more we suffer in our ability to get ahead in life Sadly, I think a lot of people who like to bash the educational system, IMHO, miss the point. It's NOT about the fact that we don't memorize all the Presidents, learn Latin, do long division the old fashioned way.... .. it's about the fact that we don't teach memorization ITSELF as a skill set well enough. No one should nowadays have to memorize the Presidents. But being able to memorize 100 different drugs and how to use them, or how to diagnose from memory 100 different common diseases would be HIGHLY useful for a medical person. Same goes for IT, law, the trades, anything really... Anyone who can memorize easily is a FAR more capable person than someone who constantly is in "I can't remember, I'll have to get back to you on that" as a businessperson. the other thing I'd applaud the Masons for is social networking, not that they have a corner on that- I think a lot of people who are successful are so because they started networking in high school and NEVER quit... they are ALWAYS meeting people and adding them to the "this person does that for a living" list in their head. And likewise, they are getting onto other people's lists. As opposed to 90% of us that don't remember SQUAT about 14 of the last 15 people we met at work -- because we didn't stop to ASK about them.
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Thanks for the input, sirlamre and mud.
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aknow Original500© Member
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Well if any of those gross generalizations are true, I would say that Masons are diehard Republicans or broadcasters for Fox News.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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sirlamre wrote: As opposed to 90% of us that don't remember SQUAT about 14 of the last 15 people we met at work -- because we didn't stop to ASK about them. And is that a major catastrophe?? That we don't remember many people? If I had my choice, I would forget a huge percentage of the people I have met. I recall what I want to recall and those who pass by my reckoning are better off, since I would sooner verbally destroy them than look at them twice in a row!! I remember only those worthy of my rememberance. I don't give a rat's ass what this has to do with this supposed Mason's conspiracy; I just see lunacy and psychosis and schizophrenia playing their role and corrupting those who are subject to its power. You and I are not subject to it. This newbie who has polluted our area with his lunacy is highly susceptible to it. See him or her for what it is.....AND IGNORE IT. Truly the only salvation for your sanity....
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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What is the victimization that Freemasons are accused of doing?
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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aknow wrote: Well if any of those gross generalizations are true, I would say that Masons are diehard Republicans or broadcasters for Fox News. Well, those gross generalizations are untrue, and they are not diehard Republicans. It is a big mixture of dems, reps, and all other parties. Hell, even here in the south, we have in our lodges, SEC fans for all teams. Unfortuantely, most of them are UTK fans, but I don't hold that against them. Everyone has their right to be wrong...
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mozeppa Pioneer100© Member  confused at birth and still is
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24HourNut wrote: What is the victimization that Freemasons are accused of doing? i was gonna ask the same thing. possibly...random acts of kindness?
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Squarebob Spongepants Guardian1000© Member 
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My old man was a past master and a shriner. He was a complete rotter. That is only anecdotal, but I also met some of his "brothers." We had a family business and I met MANY of them. I can't say that it applies to the majority of masons, but it certainly did to the ones I met. With the exception of my uncle who was a neat character AND a mason. (Coors he never went through the "chairs.) My old man and his brethren found NOTHING more enjoyable than cheating people. And I do mean CHEATING. Actual criminal intent fraud. I was too disgusted with what I saw to ever consider being one. 
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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Every organisation has its fair share of gits. To label or condemn an entire organisation or its members based on a few isolated cases, or limited personal experience is wrong.
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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Squarebob Spongepants wrote: My old man was a past master and a shriner. Unfortunately, you do find this, but this type is in every organization. But, the majority of the people I met in the Masons were honest hard working people from common laborers to white collar. If someone did get caught doing something that was out of character for a Mason, they were brought up on charges, and tried. They would be given another chance, but screw up again... I was going through the chairs, when I decided to become inactive. It takes a helluva lot of time, that I didn't have to spend.
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Squarebob Spongepants Guardian1000© Member
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cynicalninja wrote: Every organisation has its fair share of gits. Very true. That's why I labeled it anecdotal and a personal experience. These guys were in automotive service businesses where the customer is USUALLY at a severe disadvantage and they "took" it in spades. This doesn't condemn all masons, but it did for me. I have a current friend who is one but is inactive due to the number of old fogeys and the stalemates they have over the simplest lodge matters. I believe the masons DID serve a purpose back when cooperation and complicity were assets that a fraternal organization could provide. Today, I believe the corporate bandits have em outfoxed so much that the lodge is probably of decreasing relevance but still a fine pastime for those that enjoy it. MY experiences with the thing were terrible. It even colored my opinion of my own father and that's sad.
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